Car trouble. Great...

[POS Neon]

Okay so imma try to make this as cliffy as i can.

Driving the firebird after it been sitting since November. Yesterday (first day driving it since sitting) it had a slight sputtering problem like it wasn't getting fuel. CEL came on and it was i think 117, which is dirty injectors, according to autozone UTI student. Light went off and car didnt have any problems there after.

Tonight, about 1 hour ago, I pulled out of the intersection kinda fast cause blind cars around corner were going to hit me. Didn't get on it too hard, never went faster than 35. Check gauge light came on and I had zero oil pressure. Shut it immediately off and pulled over. Popped the hood to find that my serpentine belt was shredded like no other, had maybe 1/3 of belt still attached.

Now I know one of the pullies is whines a bit, don't know which one yet. Could the bad pully cause the belt to shred??

Also does the zero oil pressure have any relevance to the belt being fucked up?

Didn't check the oil cause I didnt have a rag plus I mindfucked when this all went down. I did look at the road to see if I blew out oil but nothing was there and it was too dark to see if oil was anywhere in the bay.


Ask any questions to help me diagnose the oil pressure, for that is my main concern right now plus the other shit.


v6 auto Firebird.

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[Dasfinc]

Stupid question, Where is the car now, I assume its in Neutral, did you tow/push it home?

not to be "Debby Downer" but if something Seized it would shred the belt, so see what spins/doesnt dunno why your oil pressure would drop to 0 at the same time unless the engine physically was seizing/seized?

 

[POS Neon]

The car is at home now, had it towed. Dumb ass me did start the car up after i shut it off to pull it off the street.

It wasn't acting like it seized up or anything, BUT it wouldn't surprise me. Last summer thermostat went out and I blew lower head gasket and some, but not alot, of coolant got internal.

 

[Eagle]

Check oil levels yet? Nothing relies on the belt to make oil pressure... so that's not the problem. As Das stated, one of your pulleys likely seized or you slipped the belt off a pulley.

 

[Eagle]

Ewww.... coolant in the engine? What did you do to resolve that? That's really hell on the bearings.

 

[Dasfinc]

Stupid question... do 3800's have belt driven water pumps?

 

[POS Neon]

Check oil levels yet? Nothing relies on the belt to make oil pressure... so that's not the problem. As Das stated, one of your pulleys likely seized or you slipped the belt off a pulley.

Haven't checked the oil yet, dad was bitching up a storm after I got it to his house so I just left and went home. Will be doing some looking/investigating tomorrow morning.

Ewww.... coolant in the engine? What did you do to resolve that? That's really hell on the bearings.

It really wasn't alot. I just put new oil in and drained it and repeated like 4 times using new oil everytime I filled it. I just had a little coolant floating in on the main oil drain and then after that nothing really coolant like came out. I turned the engine by had a few too. Hopefully I didn't fuck something up thinking I was helping the car.

 

[Eagle]

Stupid question... do 3800's have belt driven water pumps?

Did you ask something about hydro-locking an oil pump?

Hydrolock the oil pump? that even possible?

 

[Mike K]

You'd be absolutely astonished at how strong those accessory belts are. The alternator on the SHO froze this summer and I couldn't start the car. I thought the engine seized until we got the belt off. Then we free'd up the pulley and started the car only to have it freeze up again and stall the engine...

So it's possible. It's also possible that something froze and the engine stalled and you looked down right at the point it was shutting down (no oil pressure). I would pull the injector connectors, crank it and see how it sounds...

 

[POS Neon]

You'd be absolutely astonished at how strong those accessory belts are. The alternator on the SHO froze this summer and I couldn't start the car. I thought the engine seized until we got the belt off. Then we free'd up the pulley and started the car only to have it freeze up again and stall the engine...

So it's possible. It's also possible that something froze and the engine stalled and you looked down right at the point it was shutting down (no oil pressure). I would pull the injector connectors, crank it and see how it sounds...

This won't hurt it at all?

I'll prolly do this after I get the new belt and swap the bad pully.

 

[Mike K]

This won't hurt it at all?

I'll prolly do this after I get the new belt and swap the bad pully.

Truthfully this is just basic troubleshooting. No one here can tell you what to do with any certainty. If it was my car I'd check all the pulleys and accessories and make sure they're all spinning freely. At that point, if the engine is the problem, turning it over without firing isn't going to do any more damage as it's most likely going to need replacing anyhow. It will just answer the question with respect to what's wrong.

 

[hellraiser319]

You'd be absolutely astonished at how strong those accessory belts are. The alternator on the SHO froze this summer and I couldn't start the car. I thought the engine seized until we got the belt off. Then we free'd up the pulley and started the car only to have it freeze up again and stall the engine...

So it's possible. It's also possible that something froze and the engine stalled and you looked down right at the point it was shutting down (no oil pressure). I would pull the injector connectors, crank it and see how it sounds...

Or pop the fuel pump relay/fuse out and crank it that way as well. Without the belt after checking oil level, cold, it should show something on the gauge/idiot light off. If that's the case, probably seized pulley was holding the engine down like Mike said above. Rectify the issue and you're golden

 

[POS Neon]

Or pop the fuel pump relay/fuse out and crank it that way as well. Without the belt after checking oil level, cold, it should show something on the gauge/idiot light off. If that's the case, probably seized pulley was holding the engine down like Mike said above. Rectify the issue and you're golden

So your saying with the belt off try to turn it over?

EDIT: Also is the fuel pump relay/fuse in the fuse box or somewhere else?

 

[CrunkMaro]

on my 3800 fbody...when i overspun the blower and the internals melted causing the pulley to melt...the belt snapped...all my gauges went off instantly but the car was still somewhat running.

1) see if there are any seized pulleys...if so...fix
2) drain some oil out, see if theres any metal shavings or anything in the oil that you drain...only thing i could think of that could simultaneously cause a belt to snap and the oil pressure to drop to zero (if not electrical) is if the crank seized and entire motor locked up....but you said the engine turned back on so i doubt thats the case


good luck mang

 

[Tuner World]

Didn't really read through all of it but it's most likely that one of your pullies/bearings seized up. Try spinning all of them with your hand w/ the belt off and they should spin freely. You'll notice right away if one is seized. This happened on my sisters Kia(lol) multiple times cause the cheap alternators we put on there kept seizing up.

Assuming your Firebird is OBD2 (97 as said in your sig), I'm guessing by code 117 you mean, P0117, which is Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low Input. If it is a dirty injector code though, I would try the actual fuel system cleaner where you tap into your fuel line and pressurize it VIA an air compressor to clean them out.

And also to add the the zero oil pressure, I'm pretty sure when the Alternator isn't working (due to no belt), all the little accessories won't work either and the battery light will stay lit so I wouldn't worry about the zero oil pressure thing until you get the belt back on

 

[SleeperLS]

Stupid question... do 3800's have belt driven water pumps?

Word, unless you get the meizere electric water pump

 

[02BlueGT]

Also the shredded chunks of belt may have damaged you oil pressure sensor(or it's wiring), It should be right above the oil filter, may wanna look at that at some point too

 

[DarkShadow]

ahem..... this is what you get for not answering my phone calls.

I have a oil pressure test kit at home. ill call you after work.

 

[POS Neon]

Also the shredded chunks of belt may have damaged you oil pressure sensor(or it's wiring), It should be right above the oil filter, may wanna look at that at some point too

ahem..... this is what you get for not answering my phone calls.

I have a oil pressure test kit at home. ill call you after work.

You know i watch my nephew in the morning. You need to answer YOUR phone.






So the idle pully was fucked up and shredded the belt which then smacked the oil pressure sending unit. Haha. So yeah....

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

Well that's good news! Well bad it was a headache but good it's not serious.

So all fixed?

 

[DarkShadow]

Mother Fucker, I called you 3 times. dont make me re-activate that sprint phone!

 

[02BlueGT]

So the idle pully was fucked up and shredded the belt which then smacked the oil pressure sending unit. Haha. So yeah....

I love being correct.........



Glad it was a cheap issue, 3800 pulleys like to destroy belts, sometimes they don't even squeal, they just lock up one day.

 

[POS Neon]

Well that's good news! Well bad it was a headache but good it's not serious.

So all fixed?

Yes all fixed.

Mother Fucker, I called you 3 times. dont make me re-activate that sprint phone!

Contract ends in June. I called you 9 times. If I was dying, I'd be dead.

I love being correct.........



Glad it was a cheap issue, 3800 pulleys like to destroy belts, sometimes they don't even squeal, they just lock up one day.

Yeah me too. It cost $80 but atleast its not an engine.

 

[E]

It cost $80 but atleast its not an engine.

Would take $80 than a busted engine any day

 

[POS Neon]

Now I'm hearing another pulley making a noise. So I should check on this before something repeats itself.