04+ GP's

Again, I must once again defer to the experts of this forum but I think this is a legitimate question. Why does it require more mods to get an 04+ GP into the 13's vice the older gen models? Weight difference is negligible, there is more torque management built in but that can be tuned out, I know IPW's are higher in the newer generation but not sure how that would hinder performance. The only real performance differences is the Gen V vs. Gen III S/C and the slightly enlarged intake ports on the L32. Can anyone shed light on this? :dunno:
 

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weight and engine managment (all the additional emissions diagnostics/DBW) play a big part but it's also the luck of the draw (or bin).

at the end of the 3800 production the machinery is worn out, alot of it actually machined LC3/GN and SI v6's before working on the SII's, and you can bet gm didnt want to invest in rettoling/etc for the last few years of profitability they squeezed out.
the 03/04+ sand cast front covers are a perfect example, since the SI GM has die cast them, the tooling wore out not long after they almost discontinued the SII so it was remachined and used for pressing sand cores which was much less expensive then welding up and/or completly machining new die casting tooling...esp when you can use the die casting equipment with tooling for newer vehicles.

out of the bin the sand cast covers suck compared to the die cast units. ive seen a couple with really bad casting flash right in the oil passages on the inlet to the oil pump

rods are powdered metal forgings...they arent neccesarily stronger, have just as much of a chance of internal defects, but since they dont require several additional steps before they are tossed into the bin, they are cheeper.
valves are shitty (the pressed on hardened tips often have gaps due to shitty fitment, you dont see this in earlier 3800's)

often the heads are shitty esp if they are low mold number units, mold 7 is one of the worst with damn near 3/16ths missalignment in some area's (where a 97 mold 7 isnt bad at all) as the sand mold tooling ages they just machine off the register surfaces and toss it back into production. on the other side of that coin higher mold number heads are often quite nice.

your alot less likely to find really shitty heads on your 98 than an 04+

next time you see a GM bean counter stab em in the kneecap with a pen
 

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to find out about the heads you can tell alot by looking at the ends of the heads where the egr/alt bracket/icm bracket and LF tq mount bolt on...or you can just pull the valvecovers and look for the mold number on top of the coolant ports (dont even have to remove the rockers).
you could always just hope you have a factory freak, where magically all the good parts found their way from the bin into your car
or pull it all apart and double check everything
even a mold 7 can be made good its just takes alot more work to make sure all the ports are matching, match the intake to the heads, etc etc. every little bit helps the bottom line
infor10sacoslidersandhisawesomefuckititsfineattitude haha
he probably dreams of me reworking his shit like i did hk's stock junk

years and years and years of workin on these bitches, i love mechanical shit and i learn everything related to it, the production side is pretty easy to understand when you look at it through the eye's of the beancounters who are really in charge
i learned alot about the good and bad of production from my gramps and mopar's/sbc's/buicks

im just wierd i guess
 
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