Domestic Hate-Why?
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Is coming from this 1.6 liter motor....:
*Please note the cut front support, the Exhaust that dumps UP, and the "Fuck You" welded into the WG pipe...*
Because, as we all know, a good engine is a quiet one? :rollpicard:
Dogs? Actually, theyre cars ,and rather reliable ones at that.BTW, I never said that my car is fast.
Back to topic-every carmaker makes mistakes, so why do the domestic carmakers get so much flak for their errors vs foreign defects?I understand how GM and Ford could get into issues bc of bad policy regarding errors, but why do folks think Toyota and Honda, among others, are 'perfect'?
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I owned a Beretta with nearly 200K on it that ran like a top, I know they can last if taken good care of, you have nothing to prove there, I am simply saying you need BIG money to make BIG power, even more so with that family of engines.
An overheated cat does not kill the engine off-throttle, if Pieces of catalytic converter get sucked back into ANY engine will kill the engine. This is a failure from SHO's with crazy high mileage that have original cats and are running overly rich for too long from things like dead O2's. So the long and short of things, That failure is caused by neglect, not a manufacturer defect like the LIM gaskets.
And the timing sprocket walks on the CAM, not the CRANK, and thats for those horrid 96-99 3.4 liter V-8's, which would still walk a GA anyways
You asked for my opinion and why "I hate" on domestic rice, so I answered why I don't like the GA's, So I wouldn't waste time trying to 'attack' me back
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Bingo.
Finished setting up my new living arrangments, so I have everything setup finally.
Actually the 60* V-6 family has been around since the late 70's. The 2.8L was first used in the Citation's and the S-10 trucks.
As for imports vs. Domestic, I have owned many of each. Sorry to say I would rather have a domestic rather than an import. While this is only my personal preference, This is especially true since I like to perform my own maintenance. Cost to maintain a domestic car is a lot less than an import. The BMW we had was a great car while it was under warranty. Once the warranty expired, the maintenance costs were way too high and some parts were difficult to get. We bought a 2002 BMW and a 2002 Pontiac about 4 months apart. The BMW had a maintenace and bumper-to-bumper extended warranty. The Pontiac had the basic warranty. When we traded in the BMW last August, I had spent over $7000 to maintain it. The Pontiac has so far only cost us $3000 to maintain. The biggest difference is the Pontiac maintenance was since 2005 when the warranty ran out and the BMW was since December of 2007 when it's warranties ran out. So in 9 months I spent over twice as much in maintenance than the 4 years of maintenance on the Pontiac.
We still have the Pontiac and in 7 years has only had the A/C repaired once, the front bearings replaced once, one battery, and recently a new O2 sensor (aside from regular things like oil, brakes, coolant flush, etc.) The BMW required New rear springs (cracked, known problem on 3-series), New sway bar links, three "electronic" thermostats (at $285 each!), an engine wiring harness (burned up), two power window motors, one stereo, one sunroof motor, one battery, and the last thing that went was the alternator (at $985!!) in the six years.
Another good example was the Mitsubishi we had, It was $195 in gaskets just to replace a spark plug/ wire that went bad on the 3.0L V-6. The gaskets were required because the intake wrapped over the one head and there were no provisions to access them unless the entire intake was removed.
I don't "hate" imports or other cars, I just prefer to have a vehicle that I can maintain it myself for many years after the warranty expires. Based on my experience with the vehicles I have owned, The domestice cars have had less go wrong and were less expensive to maintain than the imports.
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I strongly agree.
This is why I went back to a Honda over my Domestic. Parts can be had cheaply/easily, and repairs are simple.
Dude, the 3.4 is a V6-which cant walk a GA, as its usually powering it96-99 3.4 liter V-8's, which would still walk a GA anyways
BTW,I wasnt attacking you.
I was asking a simple question, and got called out by you for having a modded GA.
Thank you.
The cat 'issue' is for the 89-95 3.0 and 3.2 liter V-6 SHO's...
the CAM issue is for the 96-99 3.4 liter V-8 SHO's, Either of which would spank a GA easily...
And BTW, SHO's are a NIGHTMARE to maintain as far as $ and time goes. They are fantastic engines, and bang for the buck are hard to beat stock for stock, but I will in no way compare a Modded SHO to any other Modded car, because as they say 'Thats where the buck stops' IIRC?
He asked for my opinion, so I'm giving it to him from someone who owns both a domestic, and an import, and an owner of a 3100 powered car in the past.
*Sigh*
Anyways, I agree with the above sentiments.I like my GA because I can walk into a parts store or jy and get what I need,whereas with premuim imports youre limited to expensive, and/or hard to find parts.
You should be specifying you GA's motor as a 3400 and not a 3.4L. I know it desplaces 3.4 liters but its called a 3400.
And GM's Lq1 motor is very camparable to the SHO's V6 at the time. It has very camparable problems as far as the timing chain being a 10 hour job and almost having to pull the motor to do an alternator.
GM and Ford have all had thier issues. The smart people like most on the forum know what these issues are and know how to deal with them. A normal non car person doesnt know anything. For example. I went car shopping with my friend and her mom and we looked at a Cadilac Catera. Her mom says that she will never own a caddy cause aprts are too much. I said yeah maybe but it depends on the parts. She said that her brother was restoring his 60's? elderado and that the front fenders were 1000's of dollars. She couldnt grasp the fact that this was 2004 and the cars of old are not the ones of new. Just plain ignorance IMO
And GM's Lq1 motor is very camparable to the SHO's V6 at the time. It has very camparable problems as far as the timing chain being a 10 hour job and almost having to pull the motor to do an alternator.
GM and Ford have all had thier issues. The smart people like most on the forum know what these issues are and know how to deal with them. A normal non car person doesnt know anything. For example. I went car shopping with my friend and her mom and we looked at a Cadilac Catera. Her mom says that she will never own a caddy cause aprts are too much. I said yeah maybe but it depends on the parts. She said that her brother was restoring his 60's? elderado and that the front fenders were 1000's of dollars. She couldnt grasp the fact that this was 2004 and the cars of old are not the ones of new. Just plain ignorance IMO
Lol @ this thread. The only real reason I like Honda's is because I had one for my first car. I'm sure that if I had been given a 3rd gen Camaro I would have an unhealthy obsession with those.
I think the reason why people talk trash about American cars is because for the most part they're ugly as sin and during the 80s and 90s they were plagued with all sorts of mechanical issues.
If you've owned a Toyota, Honda or Hyundai you know that their warranties are phenomenal. I know for a fact that Honda takes care of their customers. Customer service has as much of an effect on customers as the quality of the product they buy.
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