3800 1.9s or mild cam?....1x CAM

[Royalgtp]

How much of a difference(HP/TQ/top and bottom end) you think I will see between the two (1.9s vs. 1x CAM)?

I have headers on now.

I want to go to and IC and maybe a 3.29 racing trans....that will be all after that.


Im just worried about put a cam in and blowing the motor with all that money donw the tubes.........Id go a cam in a minute with a new engine.

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[BumpinGTP]

you wont blow your motor with a cam, if everything is put together properly, i have a stage 3 cam on a stock short block with 90k miles on it

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

I've been eyeing the cams availible, and so far I'm not that impressed with any of them. No offence to any of the vendors, but IC'd / rocker cars are routinely hitting mid and lower 12's now. To reach the highest HP goals I agree a cam is a must, but I should be in the 12's this summer with a stock cam and no rockers. Rockers are a band aid for poor flowing heads, a set of good heads and rockers could get you deep in the 12's. Just my humble opinion...

 

[BumpinGTP]

oh, and john, chris mercadante just dynoed last week with his stage 1x cam, he got 304fwhp and 360tq, this was with a 1x cam non intercooled and no nitrous, his best time so far is a 12.6xx

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Originally posted by BumpinGTP@Jul 14 2004, 06:14 PM
oh, and john, chris mercadante just dynoed last week with his stage 1x cam, he got 304fwhp and 360tq, this was with a 1x cam non intercooled and no nitrous, his best time so far is a 12.6xx

Hey Bumpin, didn't someone just run 12.33 with a rocker car? Just giving you a hard time...There are always several ways to attain the same goal, but it's a fact that setting a goal in the first place helps anyone design a system for speed that works.

 

[BumpinGTP]

if someone has i havent heard about it yet, but anyways, i dont doubt that rockers will get 12s, we know that, all im saying is that a cam will make more power, there is no way around it

 

[antpearl]

isn't the thrasher cam the best way to go w/ stock heads?

 

[BumpinGTP]

in my eyes, no, that cam has the biggest lift out of any cam for our cars that is for sale right now. the heads become a huge restriction when you have a cam that flows that much. in my opinion the best cam for stock heads is the Stage 1X

 

[dole21]

I love my 1x.

I'm sure I'd love it more with headers or a PCM. or a 3.25

or no knock..

someday.

 

[syP]

i have 99,000 miles on my car with rockers.. i was thinking goin with a cam.. the miles are all highways miles and the car is still strong as hell... would this be a bad decision to cam the car?

 

[BumpinGTP]

it would be a fine decision, i did it, and Chris Green from INTENSE runs mid 11's on the stock bottom end with 115k miles on it!!! the motors on these cars are built fairly well.

 

[Mike K]

Originally posted by antpearl@Jul 14 2004, 09:58 PM
isn't the thrasher cam the best way to go w/ stock heads?

No,

Something like .555 lift on that cam. I personally don't care for their cams. Both the ZZP cam and the Intense cams are nice and ours are too whenever they get here.

 

[BumpinGTP]

thrasher cam is .566/.566

 

[superchargedgp]

Originally posted by Ron Vogel+Jul 14 2004, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ron Vogel @ Jul 14 2004, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BumpinGTP@Jul 14 2004, 06:14 PM
oh, and john, chris mercadante just dynoed last week with his stage 1x cam, he got 304fwhp and 360tq, this was with a 1x cam non intercooled and no nitrous, his best time so far is a 12.6xx

Hey Bumpin, didn't someone just run 12.33 with a rocker car? Just giving you a hard time...There are always several ways to attain the same goal, but it's a fact that setting a goal in the first place helps anyone design a system for speed that works. [/b][/quote]
bronzo from MI did, and i'm going after him

 

[Mike K]

Originally posted by BumpinGTP@Jul 14 2004, 11:48 PM
thrasher cam is .566/.566

Even worse. On a car with stock heads you're getting all the headaches that come with a lumpy cam without the benefits.

 

[superchargedgp]

Originally posted by Ron Vogel@Jul 14 2004, 07:09 PM
but I should be in the 12's this summer with a stock cam and no rockers.

thats a hefty goal, and summer is already here

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Well, so are my new heads and pulley. Just have to find the time to put them on.

 

[antpearl]

i stand corrected. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

 

[Royalgtp]

well what if you got stage one heads? What cam would be best?

 

[Royalgtp]

Originally posted by BumpinGTP@Jul 14 2004, 06:14 PM
oh, and john, chris mercadante just dynoed last week with

Is this someone here?

 

[BumpinGTP]

no, he is from ohio, his name is Merc on clubgp

 

[BumpinGTP]

also, there are no stage 1 heads, its either stage 2 or stage 3, or have them done custom

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Since I've been in the thick of it for the last month or two, here's the lowdown on heads. To get an idea of what's involved go to standard abrasives website. There is a porting guide on there that explains the ins and outs of porting and the advantages, it's good info even if you don't plan on porting heads yourself. Intense is the only "commercially" availible heads thus far. ZZP will be offering some soon for the masses also. Other than that, local speed shops usually offer a "street/strip" porting service, and price is dependent on the shop's rep. (The SA website goes into detail on the "average" S/S job) If you buy used heads, expect to pay $100-150 for '97/'98, $200-250 '99-'03 $400 & up for L32's. Valve jobs run around $150, valve guides are $60+ per, full bronze guides $200-500, magnaflux $35 pair, resurface $60 pair. A decent set of good flowing street/strip heads should run $350-500 total, but when you get into flowed race heads $1000-1800.