3800 Custom fuel rails

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So I go check out www.throttlebody.com today. They have blank fuel rails for $19.00 a foot. I can get them machined for pretty cheap, but I don't know pricing. I have a spare set of heads on the bench, so I took some measurements. I can Make them myself, but it'd be a little more precise if they were machined. The big cost would be the fittings and hoses, but we could just use the push-lok hose to keep costs down. I'm thinking we could put a rail kit for a little over a hundred. My chopped up fuel rail works, but it bugs me that it ain't pretty. It looks like they need to be 12" per side. The injector bosses are at an 80 degree angle. It would be a matter of fabbing up hold down brackets for them, and getting a good reliable regulator. Anybody be interested?
 
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I've got to look at regulators still. Looks like the reg has to be mounted close to the firewall, with the outlets to each rail. On the site I visited, it looks like a pulse buffer is a good idea too, but they have them for $90 alone. I'm still going to make one for myself; anything is cheaper than the $399 that the PRJ rails cost. If ZZP ever gets their's done, it might be an option. Anodizing could be done through LP 3800, I've qouted a few things and they've been very reasonable.
 

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Ron this sounds like a great idea :rolleyes:
I think i am in on this. one thing i would like to ask is if there is a chance to see if you can get a price for the kit and one for the just the rails machined that way if i wanted to later(when i have more money) put some SS hoses on there.

Let us know
 
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Yeah, I was thinking of just doing the rail part and leaving it up to everyone else finding the parts to finish it, and sourcing the parts. It's had to pony up the dough for all the stuff for everything all at once. Most people want to have a custom set-up anyway. I think the best thing is to have the basic rails done, and then make a list of parts for different ways of configuring it.
 
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OK, I talked to the Owner of Marren Racing. He obviously can't give me a price until he gets into it for a complete rail set-up, but it would be under $250. He needs a pair of heads (which I have) and a lower intake manifold (which I don't have) to make the rails/fittings/brackets. This is not really a group buy this way, his discounts don't come in until we are in the 100's. I need some digital pics sent to my email address of the current rail set-up, and with IC. Please send to [email protected] and we'll go from there. I'll still seek other avenues for the rail machining, but I want to check out the pro's first.
 
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Originally posted by CoolGTX@Jun 28 2004, 05:35 PM
tell me Honestly how much (in reallity), what a WHOLE setup will run!!

under 399.oo?

tell me how!
This place out of TX tells me about $175 for the rails and brackets. I thought it would be best if we just do that, then it's up to everyone to make their own set-up. PRJ has a stock FPR adapter for $60. Of course top of the line fittings and hoses will get you up there, but brass fittings and push lock hose would be another option. I think it can still be done cheaper than $175, but starting from scratch it's hard to say. I'm going to be talking to a lot of people in the next few weeks so we'll see. I don't think there will be any problem getting it cheaper than $399. Even the guy at Force EFI was shocked the PRJ's were so high. I think the PRJ's are overkill, so a more modest set-up is what I'm after. These rails are good up until 42 lbs injectors, after that, a "buffer" needs to be added to reduce pulsations from the injectors.
 

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Originally posted by Ron Vogel+Jun 28 2004, 10:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ron Vogel @ Jun 28 2004, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CoolGTX@Jun 28 2004, 05:35 PM
tell  me Honestly how much (in reallity), what a WHOLE setup will run!!

under 399.oo?

tell me how!
This place out of TX tells me about $175 for the rails and brackets. I thought it would be best if we just do that, then it's up to everyone to make their own set-up. PRJ has a stock FPR adapter for $60. Of course top of the line fittings and hoses will get you up there, but brass fittings and push lock hose would be another option. I think it can still be done cheaper than $175, but starting from scratch it's hard to say. I'm going to be talking to a lot of people in the next few weeks so we'll see. I don't think there will be any problem getting it cheaper than $399. Even the guy at Force EFI was shocked the PRJ's were so high. I think the PRJ's are overkill, so a more modest set-up is what I'm after. These rails are good up until 42 lbs injectors, after that, a "buffer" needs to be added to reduce pulsations from the injectors. [/b][/quote]
ook, heres my take on this
I USED TO BE CHEAP, but have been FCKD being cheapGEEK.

1, throttlebody
2, I/C(well almost)
3, My c-ya tranny.

all good guys, but was thrown under the bus by all 3 at 1 point in time.


1 sold the bad t/b
2, seller making good.. ;)
3, getting my tranny fixed by a REPUTABLE COMPANY.

see the pattern here Guys and girls!!!!!


IM NOT BURNING DOWN MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, because I wanted to be CHEAPGEEK.

good luck you all.

when I see a compete cost for the EVERYDAY guy, NOT you 2 guys with special prices, Ill BELIEVE it, till then

I dought it.
 
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Well, here are the facts on this. From what I have found, there are only 3 companies in the US that really specialize in this. I've talked to 2 of them. The 2nd one does the machine work for the 3rd, so I'm not going to bother with them. I'm just getting the ball rolling so I can get rails for my car for less than PRJ's. This isn't a group buy, they won't do a group buy until we're talking hundreds of units. I'll be sending them my heads and lower intake to set-up the machining and fabrication of the rails and brackets. When they are done, we will be able to buy the machined rails and bracket set-up from them, and it's up to us for the fittings and regulator. We could get it from them, but the cost would be higher. The most inexpensive regulator they sell is $150 + the rails $175 + fittings $???. The total cost of a complete kit would end up being the same as the PRJ's, but if we source our own set-ups, would be much less. I'll assemble a list of compatible fittings and regulators, so people can set theirs up as they wish, or as money allows. I'm not doing this to make any money off it...I just want fuel rails.
 
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Since we do have the Thrasher unit, and the PRJ unit I see no need in trying to build an high end unit. Basically, what I'm shooting for is a system that can be built on a budget, that will be good up to 400hp, and not look like crap. I've spec'd all the qoutes to have 1/2" or 3/8" npt fittings on the ends of the rails (instead of AN fittings). So Joe schmoe can go to any plumbing store to make everything fit. I just sent specs to a place in VA for SS steel rails, the aluminum rails are more expensive. These rails look EXACTLY like what ZZP is supposed to be making. For everyone's entertainment, heres a link to build your own ghetto rails...
http://www.sdsefi.com/techrail.htm
And, this is basically the rail design.
 
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These could be modified past 400hp. It's the injectors that's the problem. Talking to these guys a lot, and they all say the same thing about the bigger injectors. They cause pulsations in the rail from opening/closing, and that will screw up fueling in total. There's this thing that buffers the pulsations in the rail that would need to be installed to prevent this, and it's about $80 more. Look on Marren fuel injection's website, they explain it a little. It doesn't become a real problem until after 40-42lbs injectors; hence the 400hp figure.
 
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Ron

I apologize for the delay in response.
We have been short-handed lately and I now have finally received a quote
for you.

The first pair of fuel rails will cost $304.55 (includes one-time set-up
fee)
If more than one pair is *ordered at the same time*, then the cost is
$206.90 for each pair after the first one.

Or, if orders are placed after the first on, say on a later date, the
they will run $251.95/pair

These prices include mounting stanchions and inlet & outlet fittings.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.

Regards
Brian
Kinsler Fuel Injection
 
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Originally posted by BumpinGTP@Jul 14 2004, 04:54 PM
if that price is for everything needed, i might be in
That's for the fittings and rails; no regulator. Kinsler is prolly going to be the most expensive because of their reputation, but the first to get back to me. I have 6 quotes outstanding still. I'm still undecided on this, I know I can make my own for way less, but I thought a group buy might get me close and I could avoid the hassle of making them from scratch. A set of decent rails can be fabricated w/o machine tools. Just an accurate drill press, a jig, and the right cutting tool. MSD has a injector boss cutting tool that is commercially availible.
 
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