3800 RACE DAY LOCATION CHANGE

[gtphale]

Byron is a legite track and anyone that wants to dispute it is just plan ass stupid. I think all of Zoomers times should be thrown out cause the only good times he post is on his own track that they prep for him.

I might as well make stupid comments just like the rest of you. You guys are a very sorry club. I have been watching clubsi and they are more grown up then you little bitches. Go ahead mike and ban this account also cause i don't give a shit anymore.


my reply to the ilgpc race day on club gp. I'm done with that club and their bs

 

[dole21]

there's gonna be controversey no matter where that car makes another record run....its just the way people are, people would say stuff if he got it at rt. 66....its gonna happen regardless

 

[imported_Theautoguy]

The irony for me is all of the claims we have made stating how nice it is not to have a board like "ClubGP". Now it seems that their peubescent, ignorant whining about Byron Dragway directly influenced the location change. If I come to understand that INTENSE insisted on this change and the planners jumped to follow I must question the credability of those involved. ILGPC has a duty to it's members, not it's sponsers. I thought we all observed the failure of that type of relationship from ClubGP!

I will be at Bryon on the 16th. If it proves to be a parking lot, so be it. The last track day I went to was a heck of a lot more enjoyable with only 3-4 runs because it gave me time to relax with some new friends and let the ice bags do their work on the intake. A track day is as much of a social gathering than a mod day, who really wants to hot-lap 12 runs and do nothing more than practice reaction times?

I'm really disappointed in ILGPC today.

 

[sweetness]

autoguy, i agree with you about supporting the members, but the members aren't paying the bills, as has been demonstrated by the call for donations. it would be nice if we didn't have to cater, but intense is cool enough to acknowledge a club that isn't acknowledged. they give us credibility and legitimacy, and for that ALONE we should be willing to accomodate (sp?? im retarded tonight) their needs. The MEMBERS of a club are supposed to accomodate the club, not vice versa. There are lots of us with many needs, and no matter what we do someone is going to get screwed. thats life in a group. Thanks to bumpin and chrys for getting this setup, and moved, in a timely, relatively painless, manner. Despite the sudden change, and reactions from some, I think i can say for all of us that we appreciate it. Thanks guys.

BC

 

[sweetness]

sorry if i made anything more difficult for others, but i was tired of seeing this crap happen, and thought something had to be said.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=14...tmode=1&smode=1

BC

 

[GTPHales-Wife]

Originally posted by sweetness@May 7 2004, 11:56 PM
autoguy, i agree with you about supporting the members, but the members aren't paying the bills, as has been demonstrated by the call for donations.  it would be nice if we didn't have to cater, but intense is cool enough to acknowledge a club that isn't acknowledged.  they give us credibility and legitimacy, and for that ALONE we should be willing to accomodate (sp?? im retarded tonight) their needs.  The MEMBERS of a club are supposed to accomodate the club, not vice versa.  There are lots of us with many needs, and no matter what we do someone is going to get screwed.  thats life in a group.  Thanks to bumpin and chrys for getting this setup, and moved, in a timely, relatively painless, manner.  Despite the sudden change, and reactions from some, I think i can say for all of us that we appreciate it.  Thanks guys.

BC

I agree with your remark sweetness to the Autoguys post......

Even though I am not racing or be at the mod day. But I think we should have still should have kept it at byron no matter what the hell zoomer or anyone else says on ClubGp. Why should we care. We aren't accepted by ClubGp anyways!

 

[imported_Theautoguy]

So am I to have the understanding that ILGPC is so influenced by a sponser that events involving the better part of a hundred participants and months of planning can be changed so close to that events date by a flash of a wallet? I didn't realize that the club was for sale.

I would like to believe that our sponsers would understand that ILGPC made a commitment to it's members and to Byron many months ago. If they value that commitment so low and have such a pull over the direction of the club then perhaps we should embrace that direction completely. I propose that we should not allow any posting that promotes competition against a sponser. We should delete accounts of those with negative opinions against a sponser. Perhaps we could change the club's name to ClubILGP to help make the transition easier for others to identify with.

I would not have an issue if the venue for the next event would be US41. I wouldn't care if it were changed to ILGPC/INTENSE Track Day Extravengaza. I may actually have planned to go. My problems is the feeling of complete disregard for those who planned to attend next weekends event and are now expected to go somewhere else because of influence from another club and a sponser! Once again, I believe that a club has a larger duty to it's members than a sponser and the last I looked it was ILGPC, not ClubGPINTENSEILGPC. I thought this club was better than that...

I'm really not trying to offend everyone or anyone. I just hope I'm not alone in feeling let down and sold out, the feeling of not having a say or an opportunity to voice an opinion on something that affects me and everyone else here. It's almost the principle of the issue. Where do we go if our commitments are for sale or driven by desires to appease those in other clubs?

 

[ThaLord]

Originally posted by Theautoguy@May 8 2004, 09:20 AM
So am I to have the understanding that ILGPC is so influenced by a sponser that events involving the better part of a hundred participants and months of planning can be changed so close to that events date by a flash of a wallet? I didn't realize that the club was for sale.

I would like to believe that our sponsers would understand that ILGPC made a commitment to it's members and to Byron many months ago. If they value that commitment so low and have such a pull over the direction of the club then perhaps we should embrace that direction completely. I propose that we should not allow any posting that promotes competition against a sponser. We should delete accounts of those with negative opinions against a sponser. Perhaps we could change the club's name to ClubILGP to help make the transition easier for others to identify with.

I would not have an issue if the venue for the next event would be US41. I wouldn't care if it were changed to ILGPC/INTENSE Track Day Extravengaza. I may actually have planned to go. My problems is the feeling of complete disregard for those who planned to attend next weekends event and are now expected to go somewhere else because of influence from another club and a sponser! Once again, I believe that a club has a larger duty to it's members than a sponser and the last I looked it was ILGPC, not ClubGPINTENSEILGPC. I thought this club was better than that...

I'm really not trying to offend everyone or anyone. I just hope I'm not alone in feeling let down and sold out, the feeling of not having a say or an opportunity to voice an opinion on something that affects me and everyone else here. It's almost the principle of the issue. Where do we go if our commitments are for sale or driven by desires to appease those in other clubs?

Although it is partially true that a sponsor would like to go to 41.. it is also the complaints of byron that influenced the decision... it has nothing to do with selling out, bowing down to a sponsor, or anything like that.. and it is definetly not based on money (at least not to me) .. on top of that...

according to this..

http://www.ilgpc.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=3151

the majority does prefer to go to 41 instead of Byron.. If the vote had went to Byron.. it would not matter what a sponsor wants.. we would go to byron.. but.. it seems as if the masses have spoken..

I just wish, that when the plans were made to go to byron, more people spoke up, saying they would rather go to US41, then the change would have been made much earlier.

john

 

[Dreamcat78]

i thought the track was changed because ppl were complaining that they wouldnt get enough runs in at byron? I am confused...all in all this is BS that half the club wants to go to one location and the other half wants to go to another track....This is rediculous that this is happening the weekend before this event!

 

[2KREDGHOST]

Damn this is kinda bunk!!! :angry: I'm still going to the mod-day don't get me wrong however I prefer going to Byron which was much closer and less racing gas I'll use. I personally don't care much about what track we go to times will be beat where ever we go. Hell we could go to Byron and maybe no times get beat or maybe they do. Now let's say we go to US41 and the times don't get beat was it worth it going all the way down there and not beat the time?? I personally feel Byron is a more sticky track and track times get beat there, but I guess its your call so like AlexGTP said "Whatever's clever".




just my .02 cents.

 

[ThaLord]

I have an idea!!

We can have 2 race days.. on the same day... 50% to byron.. 50% to 41!

kinda funny.. but.. it is what happens sometimes... hopefully our next race day will not be filled with drama.

john

 

[Fish]

Originally posted by ThaLord@May 8 2004, 12:34 PM
I have an idea!!

We can have 2 race days.. on the same day... 50% to byron.. 50% to 41!

kinda funny.. but.. it is what happens sometimes... hopefully our next race day will not be filled with drama.

john

Hehe we could.

It doesnt matter to me. Ill go race anywhere. I want to break this damn barrier Im caught under.

 

[imported_GraFFix]

I think theautoguy has said everything I would of...I do have a few comments though.

John...the only people I saw complaining about byron were people on glubgp. the way I see it is thats what infuenced our sponsor to want to change tracks...If none of this BS on clubgp happened then we would all be going to byron next weekend as planned. I dont believe one minute that it was members of ILGPC that made this decision. even if the poll shows otherwise..we had a meeting about it and it was decided. I had no problem going to 41 and if you rememeber at the meeting we discussed having the mod day one weekend then the next going to the track...but we as a group decided against that because our sponsor was going to be coming for the mod day and race day. thats when we as a group decided to have the mod day at LP's then the race day the next day since it was so close to the track.

So for those who were planning on having a good time at the mod day and camping over to go racing the next day..will now have to wake up at 6-7am to drive 3 hours to the track then at least another 2 back depending on where they live.

I still think this event should of went as planned and we could of scheduled another event in a month or so..bigger then the one next weekend. but instead we kind of killed this event because I know the turnout wont be as good as it would of been at byron.

I feel bad for Chrys..he worked hard getting things organized and in one day it gets killed. Now whos running the brackets? whos collecting money? I dont think Chrys is going to 41..I have a feeling its going to be one very unorganized day which in turn will make ILGPC look bad not our sponsor. but at least we made them happy....

Just speaking my opinion...

 

[imported_Theautoguy]

Well I've said my piece and after a day of working on the cars I'm all relaxed now. It's amazing how much therapy comes from wrenching and detailing! I really want to add, as GraFFix stated that I, as do many others appreciate the hard work that goes into Track and Mod Days. I by no means want to imply that they're mismanaged, just that the desicions made recently were miscalculated and alienated several geographically and schedule challenged members. We will get over it and regroup with enthusiasm for another event together. I look forward to it. Even though I'm a Regal owner, I value ILGPC highly as a group of great people moreso than a group of W-body enthusiast. I look forward to meeting many more members in the future.

I respectfully request that if another event is directed to US41 or another relatively close (?) track that it's held on a Saturday. This way some of us won't have such a long drive home only to have a few hours sleep for Monday morning work.

 

[tommmy3]

Originally posted by GraFFix@May 8 2004, 01:50 PM

I feel bad for Chrys..he worked hard getting things organized and in one day it gets killed. Now whos running the brackets? whos collecting money? I dont think Chrys is going to 41..I have a feeling its going to be one very unorganized day which in turn will make ILGPC look bad not our sponsor. but at least we made them happy....

Just speaking my opinion...

Yeah me too! I've read just about all of this and think it is kinda BS, but whatever -

I just thought that -yeah you might get less runs in but hanging out with everyone in the "parking lot" aint so bad!

I dont really understand why this whole event is going to be moved so drastically because of some BS on the other forum - thats seriously pretty rediculous, I think there is obviously more than that to this but whatever <_<

on a little side not I'd just like to thank Chrys for all the hard work he put into this -- so thanks

 

[CoolGTX]

all your belly aching is making my ass bleed!!

 

[J.E.T.]

We were going to demonstate how many IL GP's follow ILGPC on the Byron race day. I have a feeling the numbers have just been cut in half. Everyone that I've spoken to said they are no longer able to go. Not because of the drama, but the distance needed to travel.

It was a perfect plan: Mod day at LP's - then drive for 15 min to the track the next day. To bad the hard work fell apart.

So - what does Byron think about ILGPC now that we cancelled a planned event on them?

I'd rather go to Byron. My chances of racing next week are now slim to none - again - not because of the drama - but because of the distance.

J.E.T.

 

[dole21]

I don't like it for the reason it was planned and people made arrangments for this. I got Sunday off from work back in March and Saturday afternoon by agreeing to work 2 extra days for someone else with less pay. I did this because, A. Byron is so close to Lp's and I"m already driving far. IF I had known this was going to be switched I never would have taken Saturday off. I'm going to the mod day to hang out and have a good time, thats it...no mods to do. I would have been able to just get up Sunday morning and drive to US 41 from my home. Or I would have just gone up to the party and worked Sunday.

My House to Lp's:
2 hours, 3 minutes Total Est. Distance: 92.87 miles
Lp's to Byron....say 20 miles, 20 minutes(guessing from what I was told)
Total: 2 hours 23 minutes 112.87 miles roughly..plus the return trip

=4 hours, 46 minutes and 224.87 miles

Now instead

My House to Lp's:
2 hours, 3 minutes Total Est. Distance: 92.87 miles
Lp's to US 41
Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 29 minutes Total Est. Distance: 126.68 miles
US41 back home to my house:
Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 27 minutes Total Est. Distance: 130.67 miles

Total:6 hours, 59 minutes and 350.22 miles


So 2 hours 13 minutes more hours of driving, and 125.35 miles MORE

So personally in my case I haven't made a decision yet
I know others drive shorter distances...some farther..but I try to make it out to events that are planned...not ones changed at the last minute.

I'm not sure what I"m gonna do...I'm debating on saying screw it to the whole weekend.

 

[tommmy3]

just go to byron then - its straight retarded to go all the way up to LPs then all the way back to us41 !

 

[Dream]

Ok....i think I said this before, but I guess I'll say it again....

Things happen that none of us as members can always control, you will never be able to please everyone. Yes, the plans got changed last minute, but come on people....it's a RACE DAY....Yes, we all made arrangements to go to one place...who really cares if it got changed to a different track? Yes, it's more miles on your cars, yes it's a further distance, and yes it sucks that it got changed. BUT WHO CARES?!!

People drive to OHIO to race for one day for IDD, or Pontiac Nationals...most of us will be driving 2 hours to go to a track to support our club...yes 20 minutes away would have been better, but SH&T happens.

Either you go or you don't, but please don't come on here complaining about it. The change was already made and there is nothing we can do about it. I'm not trying to sound like a b*tch, but sometimes someone has to.

I'm hoping, that because we have the best club and the best members in IL, we will still have at least 70 members show up. I'm hoping that people will accept this change and be there to support ILGPC, no matter if they were put out by a change. If we can't have a great gathering for this, then what kind of club our we?

 

[CoolGTX]

I told the track we were bringing 20-30 cars(lets see)

we WILL have our own lane.

brackets will be run at the same time the track runs there own bracket, which is after the lunch break.

from 9am till 12pm there will be T&T, brackets start right after lunch.

when you arrive at the track, pay the T&T fee, and tell the lady you are here for the GP race.

track will be prepped as usual, and they will spray throughout the day(as usual)

I was told 8-9 second cars were running today, without any problems.

if you will be using Street tires, go around the water, slicks use the water.

hths

 

[J.E.T.]

J/O - which track are you talking about ?

 

[BumpinGTP]

US41

 

[gtpkid2004]

Think hes talkin about 41....talked to him earlyer, thats where he is goin cause i am meetin him up...but don't know, things can change, and im not j/o

Latz

 

[BumpinGTP]

Here are the awards from INTENSE, still awaiting the lists from Caspers and DHP.
INTENSE Gen 2 LSD- Fastest 60' with stock diff
INTENSE Modular Pulley System- Fastest time on street tires
INTENSE Modular Pulley System- Fastest time on drag radials or slicks
INTENSE Modular Pulley System- Fastest reaction time
INTENSE Modular Pulley System- TBA