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Old 05-13-2019, 10:53 AM   #1
 
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OK, I think it's hit the point where we can break this topic off of the Trump thread...

About a week ago, a cryptic message, emanating from John Bolton of all people, of supposed intelligence about possible Iranian missile movements and a possible link to strikes against US interests in the region. Acting SoD Pat Shanahan waded in...



Mike Pompeo was scheduled to head to Germany to for a planned visit with high ranking government officials, but was diverted to Baghdad for a visit with leaders in Iraq. There was some speculation that Iran could be making a play to ally up with Iraq, which would put the US' military bases in country in question.

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"To speak with the leadership there, to assure them that we stood ready to continue to ensure that Iraq is a sovereign, independent nation... Certainly, it's the case that if American interests in Iraq are threatened, it would impact Iraq as well... This would be an effort to take American forces out that continue our campaign against ISIS. It's incredibly important to the Iraqi government. That campaign to continue to prevent ISIS terror inside of Iraq itself is something that's very central, central to the Iraqi government... The central messages are this: We want to make sure that Iraq is positioned so that the relationship that we've built with them and that our allies in the region have built with them—allies that range all across the Gulf, who understand that the primary threat in the Middle East is Iran—remains strong, that those relationships remain strong."
In addition the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group has been sent to the Persian Gulf, with a contingent of B-52H's.

A couple of days later, a contingent of fully armed F-15C's were dispatched to the Middle East from RAF Lakenheath. The F-15C is not a ground strike aircraft, and is purely an air superiority jet, and is the best non-stealth fighter for air superiority in the US' arsenal.

Then over the weekend comes news that two oil tankers were hit/sabotaged in the Persian Gulf. No one has claimed responsibility, but obviously Iran is suspected.

The Lincoln should be heading through the Straight of Hormuz shortly, which Iran can and has used to attack and harass ships before.

I will try to keep this thread updated as I hear/see news
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Honestly, the most likely scenario.

Iranian backed groups have been hitting Israel with more and more rockets strikes as of late, and it's possible that Israel is planning a strike against Iran, and the US is there as support? IDK
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iran is not that stupid, obama is long gone, weak, cowardly leadership went with him.
I have no doubt PRESIDENT Trump will respond with force, probably excessive, unnecessary force, but he will not hesitate to respond to any attack or posturing by iran.

I still have no clue if true, but they claim he already tried to use nukes??
Purposely leaked mind games or not??

Plus many in iran remember the difference President Carter & President Reagan!!!
The POS liberal was weak & not taken seriously, even after he at least attempted using force.
President Reagan didn't even have to use force, all he had to do was be himself, and they knew they would get their ass's handed to them within hours of taking over!!

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IMO, we should be less involved with the Middle East...We have our own issues at home we should be dealing with, not getting involved with pointless affairs between countries.

Now if the intelligence is true, and the Iranians were making threats, that's one thing. But on the other side of the coin, there's almost a 0% chance they actually attack US troops. They know the consequences for that action, and I think Russia knows that implication too, and would rein in Iran if they were seriously contemplating it.
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I think Iran HAS made threats to us in recent past in regards to passage through the straight of Hormuz, and clearly stating that any American warship that passes through, will be met with lethal force by Iran's military.

I think they (Iran), really need to rethink that position. CVN-72's CSG has enough firepower to turn Iran into a golf course. Much less adding in B-52's and F-15's to take on Iran's decrepit state of remaining cobbled together, operating F-14's.
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I think Iran HAS made threats to us in recent past in regards to passage through the straight of Hormuz, and clearly stating that any American warship that passes through, will be met with lethal force by Iran's military.

I think they (Iran), really need to rethink that position. CVN-72's CSG has enough firepower to turn Iran into a golf course. Much less adding in B-52's and F-15's to take on Iran's decrepit state of remaining cobbled together, operating F-14's.
Do you think the Lincoln is carrying a squad of F-35's? I know the Lincoln was one of the carriers that the F-35 qualified on, and ran at sea trials.
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On second look, according to one source, it does not look like F-35's are aboard...looks like 4 squadrons of F/A-18's and a squadron of EA-18 Growler's, among the other AWACS and carrier logistics aircraft

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CVW 7, based at Naval Air Station Oceana, Va., is embarked aboard Lincoln and includes a total of nine squadrons and detachments:

The “Fist of the Fleet” of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 25 from Naval Air Station Lemoore, Calif.
The “Sidewinders” of VFA-86 from Naval Air Station Lemoore, Calif.
The “Jolly Rogers” of VFA-103 from Naval Air Station Oceana, Va.
The “Pukin’ Dogs” of VFA-143 from Naval Air Station Oceana, Va.
The “Patriots” of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 140 from Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, Wash.
The “Bluetails” of Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 121 from Naval Station Norfolk, Va.
The “Rawhides” of Fleet Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 40 from Naval Station Norfolk, Va.
The “Night Dippers” of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 5 from Naval Station Norfolk, Va.
The “Griffins” of Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 79 from Naval Air Station North Island, Calif.
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Do you think the Lincoln is carrying a squad of F-35's? I know the Lincoln was one of the carriers that the F-35 qualified on, and ran at sea trials.
I do. I don't think that they are publicly putting that out there. My bet is that they want to show that it's operational and capable. So why advertise it.

I also think the Stennis's CSG might not be too far behind because I think the two were recently doing excercises together in the Mediterranian Sea...

Not looking good for Iran when two Nimitz class aircraft carriers are lurking nearby.
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It would not shock me if Diego had a few planes loaded & ready
A few stealth bombers just in case iran needs to be flatten in minutes, in stead of hours!!!

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IMO, we should be less involved with the Middle East...We have our own issues at home we should be dealing with, not getting involved with pointless affairs between countries.

Now if the intelligence is true, and the Iranians were making threats, that's one thing. But on the other side of the coin, there's almost a 0% chance they actually attack US troops. They know the consequences for that action, and I think Russia knows that implication too, and would rein in Iran if they were seriously contemplating it.
this. seriously. shits getting old. i dont watch the news but from all the speculation about iran this, iran that...has iran ever really done anything in the past 30yrs?? Like seriously do some shit?
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this. seriously. shits getting old. i dont watch the news but from all the speculation about iran this, iran that...has iran ever really done anything in the past 30yrs?? Like seriously do some shit?
They (not Iran, but their proxies) launched some attacks on US vessels moving through the Straight of Hormuz in 2016. Then there was the whole thing with them taking some sailors "hostage". They've definitely ruffled some feathers, and made some inflammatory statements, among other things.

It's a double edged sword with Iran, IMO. Yes, I would just like to leave them alone, but they seem hell bent on creating issues with the US, the US' allies (primarily Israel), or US interests in the region.

Funny thing to note, the US labeled Iran Republican Guard a terrorist organization. In response, the Iranians listed all US military personnel in the region terrorists.
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While yes I would like to leave them all alone and let Alah sort it all out, the problem is when you're king of the hill, you're pretty much involved in everything because you're the only one with the military assets to assert law and/or order.

It sucks, but that's the reality. Then add in what Kensington posted above. Yea, fuck them.

You want them to block the straights of Hormuz (because they feel like it's Iranian waters), there goes gas to $6/gallon because bulk oil freighters can't get in/out of the gulf. Then you'll be the first to bitch about the price of gas.
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While yes I would like to leave them all alone and let Alah sort it all out, the problem is when you're king of the hill, you're pretty much involved in everything because you're the only one with the military assets to assert law and/or order.

It sucks, but that's the reality. Then add in what Kensington posted above. Yea, fuck them.

You want them to block the straights of Hormuz (because they feel like it's Iranian waters), there goes gas to $6/gallon because bulk oil freighters can't get in/out of the gulf. Then you'll be the first to bitch about the price of gas.
Their (supposed) plan to hit Saudi and UAE oil fields and blocking of the Straight of Hormuz would definitely send oil prices skyrocketing...and could signal why the US is so interested in things staying status quo.

I know a lot of people bitch about our dependence on foreign oil...but maybe I'm one of the few that would rather see it that way. The US has the capability and the resources to self sustain our own oil habit, and hey, if the Middle East uses up their resources, who cares, it's half a world away, and we've got our own. I'd rather the US sit on its resources, and be the last country left standing, whether or not the future holds fossil fuels as a necessity.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-guar...084956823.html

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GENEVA (Reuters) - A senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander said on Sunday the U.S. military presence in the Gulf used to be a serious threat but now represents a target, the Iranian Students' News Agency (ISNA) reported.

The U.S. military has sent forces, including an aircraft carrier and B-52 bombers, to the Middle East in a move that U.S. officials said was made to counter "clear indications" of threats from Iran to American forces in the region.

The USS Abraham Lincoln is replacing another carrier rotated out of the Gulf last month.

"An aircraft carrier that has at least 40 to 50 planes on it and 6,000 forces gathered within it was a serious threat for us in the past but now it is a target and the threats have switched to opportunities," said Amirali Hajizadeh, head of the Guards' aerospace division.

"If (the Americans) make a move, we will hit them in the head," he added, according to ISNA.

U.S. President Donald Trump also has increased economic pressure on Iran, moving to cut off all its oil exports, to try to get Tehran to curb its nuclear and missile programs as well as end support for proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen.

Speaking to CNBC in an interview to be broadcast on Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. deployments came in response to intelligence about potential Iranian attacks and aimed both to deter them and to be able to respond if necessary.

"We've seen this reporting," Pompeo said. "It's real. It appears to be something that is current, that is things we're worried about today."

"In the event that Iran decided to come after an American interest - whether that be in Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen or any place in the Middle East - we are prepared to respond in an appropriate way," he said, adding that "our aim is not war."

Iranian navy commander Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi said on Sunday that American forces must exit, according to ISNA. "The presence of the Americans in the Persian Gulf region has reached its end and they must leave the region," Khanzadi said.

Major General Hossein Salami, appointed head of the Guards last month, told parliament on Sunday the United States had started a psychological war in the region, the parliamentary spokesman said.

"Commander Salami, with attention to the situation in the region, presented an analysis that the Americans have started a psychological war because the comings and goings of their military is a normal matter," spokesman Behrouz Nemati said, according to parliament's ICANA news site.

(Reporting by Babak Dehghanpisheh; Additional reporting by Arshad Mohammed in Washington; Editing by Elaine Hardcastle, Edmund Blair and Will Dunham)
Umm, yea, ok there chief! You don't even know how many aircraft are aboard the Lincoln. At that point, you lost all credibility.

Try ~90 between planes and choppers.
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Umm, yea, ok there chief! You don't even know how many aircraft are aboard the Lincoln. At that point, you lost all credibility.

Try ~90 between planes and choppers.
Was it last year they did a big mock show of blowing up a replica US carrier?

I mean, there's always the threat of anti-ship missiles and swarms of drone boats and aircraft to try and overwhelm the carriers defenses. BUT, I don't think Iran would be stupid enough to try that. Like NK, they like to rattle some sabers, but they know it would be suicide to attempt anything THAT crazy.
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Actually, I think that was North Korea that had made a propaganda video of them wiping out the Carl Vinson, as it was operating in the Sea of Japan at the time during the joint training with South Korea IIRC.

But maybe Iran did have something too. But I distinctly remember the NK one. Yea, I double dog dare you Kim... Let's see how that works out for you...
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Was it last year they did a big mock show of blowing up a replica US carrier?

I mean, there's always the threat of anti-ship missiles and swarms of drone boats and aircraft to try and overwhelm the carriers defenses. BUT, I don't think Iran would be stupid enough to try that. Like NK, they like to rattle some sabers, but they know it would be suicide to attempt anything THAT crazy.
I really don't know how well that would work out. We're not in the 50s any more, if the US wants to reach out and knock on the door they're going to do such carrier or not.
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Actually, I think that was North Korea that had made a propaganda video of them wiping out the Carl Vinson, as it was operating in the Sea of Japan at the time during the joint training with South Korea IIRC.

But maybe Iran did have something too. But I distinctly remember the NK one. Yea, I double dog dare you Kim... Let's see how that works out for you...
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I had not seen that.

And it still didn't sink after all that. LOL! And they think the're going to take down a Nimitz class carrier protected by a CSG, multiple forms of CIWS, and undisclosed hull thickness and an entire air wing at ready...
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