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Old 04-24-2019, 11:22 AM   #51
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I think she's screwed because of her record as a prosecutor. My bet is that you're going to see her have trouble with most any "criminal justice" oriented question, and her rivals would be smart to leverage those against her.
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I actually like some of the things Tulsi Gabbard says but she has zero chance....
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the only point you're proving is that tcg is a safe space for exaggerating the flaws of democrats 1000 folds over while casually dismissing and ignoring the actual materialized 100% real flaws of shitty republicans or faux republicans.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of a Democrat in denial.

Not a Libertarian. A Democrat. A Libertarian would be laughing along with us.

Just admit it, 'mint. You're as DEM as they come.

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I think she's screwed because of her record as a prosecutor. My bet is that you're going to see her have trouble with most any "criminal justice" oriented question, and her rivals would be smart to leverage those against her.
Bernie suggested convicted criminals, in prison, should be allowed to vote.

Harris jumped on the bandwagon. DEM votes! DEM votes!

People like Tucker Carlson pointed out that DEMS are calling for prisoners like the Boston Bomber to be able to select our leaders and Harris flip flopped.
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The best point I saw made on this was that Bernie was going to primary in SC in the upcoming days and would have to explain how the SC Church Shooter deserved a right to vote.
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The best point I saw made on this was that Bernie was going to primary in SC in the upcoming days and would have to explain how the SC Church Shooter deserved a right to vote.




People like Andrew Pollack (his daughter Meadow was killed at MSD) are already going after them.... Likely part of the reason Harris has already flip-flopped like a wet noodle.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of a Democrat in denial.

Not a Libertarian. A Democrat. A Libertarian would be laughing along with us.

Just admit it, 'mint. You're as DEM as they come.

trying to elevate the political conversation about democrats above that of your 8 year old level doesn't make me one. i'd say a libertarian would be laughing at you, but that's not true, because the reality is it's sad that any voting age adult, let alone one your age, operates at the level of depth you do.
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"mint -

We have been reading your diatribes for years. I swear you are a shill for the DNC and have a hundred people behind you drumming up all this 'useful' information you pour out in these over-worded commentaries you constantly post almost instantly. Don't you have a job?

I want to go on record. I don't want almost everything you claim you want. I hate your incessant word twisting. You must have been the team leader in your college debate team, which I give you credit for.

TCG really does benefit from the increased number of posts your activities generate.

I, so bad, want to smack the sh!t out of you for trying to fuck up my country, that it is not funny.

When you insult people who disagree with your 'obvious' self imposed superiority, just like a true Libby, it only lowers your stance in the community in my opinion.

I do not want what you want and I want to stop you and people like you from dragging this place down further. Mean old people like me, and meaner, older people than myself built this place.

'Geniuses' like you are only going to wreck a place you where don't belong because you don't respect the people who got us here in the first place.

Now, spin all my words. As you do.
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trying to elevate the political conversation about democrats above that of your 8 year old level doesn't make me one. i'd say a libertarian would be laughing at you, but that's not true, because the reality is it's sad that any voting age adult, let alone one your age, operates at the level of depth you do.
You're back to the insults you use when your superior mind has no good answer?

Weak.
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You're back to the insults you use when your superior mind has no good answer?

Weak.
no good answer to what? you literally make up people's stances, i have no idea what kind of response you think is reasonable besides calling you out on your bullshit.

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"mint -

We have been reading your diatribes for years. I swear you are a shill for the DNC and have a hundred people behind you drumming up all this 'useful' information you pour out in these over-worded commentaries you constantly post almost instantly. Don't you have a job?

I want to go on record. I don't want almost everything you claim you want. I hate your incessant word twisting. You must have been the team leader in your college debate team, which I give you credit for.

TCG really does benefit from the increased number of posts your activities generate.

I, so bad, want to smack the sh!t out of you for trying to fuck up my country, that it is not funny.

When you insult people who disagree with your 'obvious' self imposed superiority, just like a true Libby, it only lowers your stance in the community in my opinion.

I do not want what you want and I want to stop you and people like you from dragging this place down further. Mean old people like me, and meaner, older people than myself built this place.

'Geniuses' like you are only going to wreck a place you where don't belong because you don't respect the people who got us here in the first place.

Now, spin all my words. As you do.
spin your words? if you've been reading my diatribes for years, then you know i am verbose in explaining my views and defer to sources as to why i make these views often. and it if you understood them it would be impossible for you to claim "you are a shill for the DNC" - where on here have i ever persuade anyone to vote for a democrat?

you guys are apparently so biased that me simply providing fair treatment to anyone's views is 'being a libby'. the list of politicians i have even put forth clear, actual support for is rather short; guys like ron paul, rand paul, justin amash - all libertarians elected within the republican party. i have pictures of me with ron, at multiple events, in multiple states. i attended a large libertarian convention, i've attended multiple libertarian debate conferences. i've only voted for libertarian presidential candidates. i have turned many of my apolitical friends libertarian. i was interested earlier but can prove i was playing around with bitcoin in may 2011. there's been a ron paul vinyl cling on the rear window of my car since 2007, because i made and sold thousands of them in 2008 and 2012. and i donated thousands of dollars to libertarian campaigns 2008+ onward. no one in my immediately family voted libertarian before 2008, now every one of them has cast at least one libertarian vote.

lol spin your words. and i'm a democrat? LOL
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no good answer to what? you literally make up people's stances, i have no idea what kind of response you think is reasonable besides calling you out on your bullshit.



spin your words? if you've been reading my diatribes for years, then you know i am verbose in explaining my views and defer to sources as to why i make these views often. and it if you understood them it would be impossible for you to claim "you are a shill for the DNC" - where on here have i ever persuade anyone to vote for a democrat?

you guys are apparently so biased that me simply providing fair treatment to anyone's views is 'being a libby'. the list of politicians i have even put forth clear, actual support for is rather short; guys like ron paul, rand paul, justin amash - all libertarians elected within the republican party. i have pictures of me with ron, at multiple events, in multiple states. i attended a large libertarian convention, i've attended multiple libertarian debate conferences. i've only voted for libertarian presidential candidates. i have turned many of my apolitical friends libertarian. i was interested earlier but can prove i was playing around with bitcoin in may 2011. there's been a ron paul vinyl cling on the rear window of my car since 2007, because i made and sold thousands of them in 2008 and 2012. and i donated thousands of dollars to libertarian campaigns 2008+ onward. no one in my immediately family voted libertarian before 2008, now every one of them has cast at least one libertarian vote.

lol spin your words. and i'm a democrat? LOL
Eh they're just mad cause you're invading their conservative, circlejerk, safe space, echo chamber. The on topic section here is literally people going out of their way to find right leaning articles for everyone to go "see I told you we was right!" instead of any actual debate.
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So post up some left wing articles if you like. Nobody's stopping you.

Sorry if you don't get more support for the current, votes above all, idiotic policies of the left (cow farts, no airplanes in 12 years, no steel and glass buildings allowed, let prisoners vote, etc.). That's not the fault of people posting articles about things the right is doing... right.

Blame your own party rather than the people who are smart enough to see the truth.
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When even these two are shocked you know you went too far to the left.
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They’re starting to dig up Biden quotes already....
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So post up some left wing articles if you like. Nobody's stopping you.

Sorry if you don't get more support for the current, votes above all, idiotic policies of the left (cow farts, no airplanes in 12 years, no steel and glass buildings allowed, let prisoners vote, etc.). That's not the fault of people posting articles about things the right is doing... right.

Blame your own party rather than the people who are smart enough to see the truth.
Really beating the green deal drum hard there. We get it that you hate AOC as much as the left hates Trump and pretty much follow her every move like a bunch of fan bois. But taking a lot of stuff from the extreme left and some of it even out of context. (The airplanes thing especially). https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/gr...to-air-travel

and presenting that as all the party is seems rather disingenuous for having a reasonable open minded discussion. The sooner we can move away from the far left and the far right and the media sensationalism that follows them the better.
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I don't hate AOC at all. I think she's a moron and one of the best things going for the REPS in the coming elections. It will be a shame when she is defeated in 2020.

It was Bernie Sanders who is pushing for prisoners getting the right to vote while in prison. Kamala Harris also backed it... for a day until someone told her how stupid it was. She's a lawyer so maybe she's smart enough to have figured it out herself after she saw the reactions popping up from outraged Americans and media?

I could have used many other talking points the DEM candidates are pushing. Listed the ones I did because they were the first idiotic ideas that came to mind. As far as getting rid of airplanes, from your own link: “we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” Sounds like their goal in 10 years, 12 years, or some unstated time in the future, they want planes, gas automobiles and other gas transportation gone. Again, how do you get to Hawaii? High speed electric boats that have more environmental impact than diesels (which we currently have and which should be improved not discarded)? It's a moronic plan that would bankrupt the country and still not accomplish the goals the DEMS are stating. Estimates have the plan costing every American $600K. Are you saving up your $600K yet?

I can't help it the DEMS are a bunch of idiots. People who support them should be the ones who are most aggravated by the new party direction. They're throwing the elections away by moving further and further left. For comparison, imagine if the Tea Party controlled the REPS. The same thing would happen to them in the next elections. The way the DEMS are going, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the REPS take the House back and maintain the Senate in 2020. Imagine the liberal tears then.

Also, I have no illusions that REPS are perfect. At least 50% of them are probably as dumb/corrupt. For the time being, the smarter REPS are the ones pushing the mainstream ideas that will end up getting them votes. Economy, border control, health care, etc. They're doing this with opposition from the morons and corrupt people in their own party.
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And the lines right after it point out where you are being rather simple minded on this. You are sticking to out of context headlines vs what is actually in the 14 pages. I get that it was a naive bill that wouldn't work and had some awful socialist wording to it. No way I would support it the way it was written.

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People can debate the choice of words used in those background materials, but the actual resolution introduced in Congress does not include any language suggesting an “end to air travel” or about building trains “over the oceans.”

The resolution outlines broad goals such as, reaching “net-zero greenhouse gas emissions”; creating “millions of good, high-wage jobs”; investing in infrastructure; guaranteeing future generations clean air and water, and “climate and community resiliency”; and more.
The point is to aim towards being emissions net-zero. You can have planes if other things outweigh their effect on the environment. Like say factories that scrub carbon out of the air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality

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1. Balancing carbon dioxide emissions with carbon removal beyond natural processes, often through carbon offsetting, or the process of removing or sequestering carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to make up for emissions elsewhere.[1] Some carbon-neutral fuels work in much the same way by being made from carbon dioxide, either already offset or simply as part of natural processes, despite producing carbon emissions themselves.[2] Much more extreme forms of carbon dioxide removal may also be used.

2. Simply eliminating carbon emissions altogether (the concept of the "post-carbon economy") through the use of renewable energy that does not produce carbon emissions at all (such as wind and solar power). Carbon projects and emissions trading are often used to reduce carbon emissions, and carbon dioxide can sometimes even be prevented from entering the atmosphere entirely (such as by carbon scrubbing).
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As science advances, the country will get greener. Anybody who invents a less environmentally damaging method of propulsion or way to scrub the air is going to be wealthy beyond belief if they handle it right. The motivation is there for a lot of companies to work on it.

The DEMS don't say ANYTHING about the bigger threat to the world. Other countries who fight against improving their polluting systems. Seen any pics of Chinese cities lately? You can't see 10 feet because of the smog in some of them. 5 Asian countries are responsible for over half the oceans' pollution. If the DEMS are serious about global warming and saving the planet, shouldn't they be mentioning other countries and pushing for them to also improve their emissions and pollution?

The DEMS ideas are pie in the sky and not attached to reality. People can see that. Reparations? Think that will really happen? $93 Trillion Green New Deal? Think that will happen? Knowing how government never does things efficiently or cheaply? Border control? You can't offer all sorts of benefits to illegal immigrants AND have an open border policy. Unless you want to be several more trillions in debt.

Point is the DEMS are pushing handouts for an election. Green planet. Free college. Forgiveness of college debt. Reparations. The proposed handouts would drastically shrink or disappear after they won. A popular answer for the DEM candidates who are asked directly about proposed plans they know won't work is "Yes, We should have a conversation about that." Ride the fence.
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and presenting that as all the party is seems rather disingenuous for having a reasonable open minded discussion.
this times eleventy billion, although this would presume someone is interested in reasonable open minded discussions in the first place

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As science advances, the country will get greener. Anybody who invents a less environmentally damaging method of propulsion or way to scrub the air is going to be wealthy beyond belief if they handle it right. The motivation is there for a lot of companies to work on it.
green stuff is expensive which is why the force of government is used to push it. you can't on one end say companies will do it for the monays while also arguing the likely source of that money ought not be spending it.

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The DEMS don't say ANYTHING about the bigger threat to the world. Other countries who fight against improving their polluting systems. Seen any pics of Chinese cities lately? You can't see 10 feet because of the smog in some of them. 5 Asian countries are responsible for over half the oceans' pollution. If the DEMS are serious about global warming and saving the planet, shouldn't they be mentioning other countries and pushing for them to also improve their emissions and pollution?
it is not like the US doesn't put pressure on other countries to improve things. or we can't work on our own pollution. what exactly are you expecting here anyway? a US politician to campaign on a policy of changing policies in a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet?

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The DEMS ideas are pie in the sky and not attached to reality. People can see that. Reparations? Think that will really happen? $93 Trillion Green New Deal? Think that will happen? Knowing how government never does things efficiently or cheaply? Border control? You can't offer all sorts of benefits to illegal immigrants AND have an open border policy. Unless you want to be several more trillions in debt.

Point is the DEMS are pushing handouts for an election. Green planet. Free college. Forgiveness of college debt. Reparations. The proposed handouts would drastically shrink or disappear after they won. A popular answer for the DEM candidates who are asked directly about proposed plans they know won't work is "Yes, We should have a conversation about that." Ride the fence.
one person on the left says something, or zero of them say something and you just make it up for them, and magically you state it as if it is a core tenant of the party platform.
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this times eleventy billion, although this would presume someone is interested in reasonable open minded discussions in the first place
There's the victim card. People are so unreasonable in what they post.

Now, if they agreed with you, then they'd be "reasonable".



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green stuff is expensive which is why the force of government is used to push it. you can't on one end say companies will do it for the monays while also arguing the likely source of that money ought not be spending it.
Tell that to Elon Musk. The government pays him because he built companies that produce things the government doesn't have cheaper than they could have done it themselves.



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it is not like the US doesn't put pressure on other countries to improve things. or we can't work on our own pollution. what exactly are you expecting here anyway? a US politician to campaign on a policy of changing policies in a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet?
We have laws against polluting the oceans. We have goals of less pollution. Good for us.

Yes, let me name a President who did just that. Donald Trump. Mexico, Canada, Paris Accords, NATO, etc. Don't hear any of the DEMS suggesting anything about changing other countries' policies like Trump is. Didn't think about that, did you?



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one person on the left says something, or zero of them say something and you just make it up for them, and magically you state it as if it is a core tenant of the party platform.
Not one person on the left. DEM Presidential candidates and members of Congress. Catch the thread title?
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Biden going Charlottesville with his campaign....


Was incredibly stupid when Trump said it, and now it's being used against him.
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There's the victim card. People are so unreasonable in what they post.

Now, if they agreed with you, then they'd be "reasonable".
i'm not playing any victim card. i'm pointing out you are disinterested to incapable of reasonable open minded discussion, as evidence because you start from misinterpretations at best and lies at worst, often.

people don't need to agree with me to be "reasonable" although note disagreeing with you (or zenriddles) on anything apparently makes them 'DEM'. not that i consider you a republican either, just some kind of populist, embracing someone who blames 'the other' for problems.

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Tell that to Elon Musk. The government pays him because he built companies that produce things the government doesn't have cheaper than they could have done it themselves.
musk isn't simply building a greener x, it's not like you can drive say solar panels or windmills etc. and are you really unaware of the massive subsidies that have gone to tesla in the form of credits but more importantly to the owner of almost every car they have ever sold???

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We have laws against polluting the oceans. We have goals of less pollution. Good for us.

Yes, let me name a President who did just that. Donald Trump. Mexico, Canada, Paris Accords, NATO, etc. Don't hear any of the DEMS suggesting anything about changing other countries' policies like Trump is. Didn't think about that, did you?
trump has done nothing magical [outside of your mind] compared to past foreign policy on this. china doing things like reducing coal use has nothing to do with trump. no one, trump included, will be running on a policy of closing their remaining coal plants in favor of wind turbines or nuclear plants, etc etc etc.

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Not one person on the left. DEM Presidential candidates and members of Congress. Catch the thread title?
not even them since you make up or distort their real positions too. which still do not make them part of the party platform nor part of the voting base yet you go on to claim 'look what da DEMS belieb'

this happened to come up in my feed today - What Would an 'Open Borders' World Actually Look Like?
and, oh look, big surprise - it uses the term in the way i use it instead of the flyn/roboto/nonsense version. actually i don't even know what either of you call the actual representation of open borders as shown in this article, since you already personally defined it an order of magnitude behind what the term actually means. maybe you both turn japanese and call these super mega ultra extreme edition open borders.
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There's the victim card. People are so unreasonable in what they post.

Now, if they agreed with you, then they'd be "reasonable".
You get that you and the rest of the Trump apologists have made the political landscape of this site, nearly impossible for anyone even leaning moderate to left (as stated earlier in this thread, there's not a Dem on this site), impossible to even tolerate? For the last 3+ years it's been a Trump circle jerk in the on topic area, so much that people have straight up left the site altogether, and Mook has had to institute actions to cloister off the on topic area because you and the gang berate and beat down anyone with a dissenting opinion. I'll give credit to @Mr_Roboto and @BADAZZTEALCOBRA for being some of the few people, that frequent the Trump thread, for ACTUALLY being open minded enough to have an open discussion. The rest just play lip service about having "open discussions", but any opinions or sources are immediately attacked as fake or just completely dismissed as irrelevant.

If you were honest with yourself, you have no desire to have actual open dialogue, and have made absolutely no effort to try and have truly open dialogue, as it's easier and comfier to sit around with like minded individuals that share your opinions. But hey, this is just coming from another Libertarian that has tried to actually engage, and left the site for a spell because it got so bad.
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