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Old 02-20-2019, 11:43 AM   #101
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Honestly if I went to 4+ years of school Iíd settle for nothing less than 150k a year, of course you have to pick a career path to get you there
I'm really hoping you mean like later in your career potential and not right out of school?
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Doubt it. They don't pay minimum wage so how will they be affected? Nobody is charging minimum wage for any of those jobs

You don't think this will affect other professions though?


Take an EMT, with an average salary of $34k currently. Are you going to bust your ass doing that job for $4k more a year than working the register at McDonalds?


I'm betting you're going to see those in the current $15 per hour range want to start moving up as well, then when they move up, the next group is going to want to move up, etc....


If those in the $15 range currently start leaving to take jobs where they dont have to think because theyll make the same amount, then theyll have to start paying these current jobs more to keep people in them...


I dunno, I just think this is going to end up not being good, especially for smaller businesses like the one I'm in with 15 people.


We shall see though.
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I’m not generalizing a bachelor degree, I’m saying a specific degrees pointed at making the best bang for the buck, I’m saying by this point in my career not right out of school
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i dont think 99% of bachelor degree (max) holders 10 years out of school are making 150k.

i say bachelors because you aren't pulling off a masters in 4 years, nor anything higher.
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Let’s Discuss The Age Groups
Ages 27 – 31: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $170,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $300,000. Airbnb’s Haseeb Q told the world he makes $250,000 a year, therefore, he is definitely in the top 1%, especially since he’s only 26. Case closed.

Ages 32 – 36: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $210,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $570,000. We are now in the ideal income zone of $200,000 – $250,000 a year per person where maximum happiness is achieved and increases no further the more you make.


Ages 37 – 41: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $260,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $820,000. I’m a little surprised that making only $260,000 at this age puts you in the top 1%. Given the median age in the US is around 34-36 and the median income for the top 1% for all income levels is around $380,000.

Ages 42 – 46: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $320,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $1.1M. This age group finally breaks the $1M income barrier. Nobody is going to deny someone making over $1M a year is rich.

Ages 47 – 51: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $360,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $1.5M. $360,000 is a level which makes the most sense as a top 1% income earner based on IRS data and multiple media reports.

Ages 52 – 58: You are in the top 1% if you make roughly $350,000. You are in the top 0.1% if you make roughly $1.4M. Finally! The income levels are going down because people are finally living life a little more and not so focused on making more and more money.
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Another trend we are seeing is a growth in the gig based economy. Uber/lyft, food delivery, dog waking, fiver, grocery delivery, etc, etc.

Yeah 1099 work is the devil in terms of actually getting a good paying job. People don't get that bumping minimum wage increases the likelihood of that stuff taking over an economy.

Jobs shifting that direction is going to create its own problem without having some sort of socialized medicine and retirement income.
That shit's been said for centuries now. Think about this, according to wiki in 1870 almost 50% of people were employed in agriculture in the US. Now it's something like 2%. Yeah people will get left behind but many will adapt. It's getting faster which is horrible in its own right but as a whole we'll carry on.

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Id rather these people get paid more than they are now, but you're on your own like everyone else when it comes to retirement. These public pensions are killing the state, pay them more and let them 401K like millions of other people.
I could agree to that. I think that the era of pensions is dying very quickly. I think that Janus was probably a large first domino in this. Decoupling the unions from jobs will ultimately lead to the deaths of a lot of pensions in the long run. That said a lot of them were rife with cronyism, corruption and inept handling anyways so I'd rather take my chances with a 401K overall.

ED:I take it back on Janus being the first domino. That shit's been dying for a long time. I worry about my mom who is a pre-k teacher in the state. She doesn't get a lot of shit that teachers in k-12 do. As an example there was a forgiveness for student loans she was excluded from. I worry that if they do pension reform and there's "relief" she will get excluded because she was pre-k.
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Thereís so many ways to make money I have to assume Iíd be smarter after all that education lol, but in general Iíd most likely be an engineer at a chemical plant or nuke if I was smarter when I was young, easy 150k of course I didnít know that when I was a kid, luckily I was pushed into the industry I am now at a pretty young age and as it turns out Iím just smart enough to get by
you assume wrong

Bachelor's is generally a nothing degree...lot of employers require it, but it doesn't teach you shit. It's honestly just 4 more years of high school.

Unless your bachelors is hyper specific to a given field, get the most generic bachelors possible; English, communications, history, business...again it all depends on the field...I've got a teaching degree but I'm working in facility management. My aunt has a bachelors in journalism, working as an insurance adjuster, another aunt has a history education degree working as a data center manager.
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I think a 4 year degree should start at the same point that someone coming off an apprenticeship of 4 years does, when my friends were all starting there first jobs out of college making 40k maby 50k I was buying my first house making double that at 23 years old, it’s not fair to them but they also picked those degrees, some of my friends went to Texas to work for refinery's as engineers starting out at close to 100k a year
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i think the difference there stems from how specialized an apprenticeship would be for those 4 years vs how truly broad a bachelors is.

i had many classes in high school that were harder and graded more intensely than what i had to do for a bachelors.
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I think a 4 year degree should start at the same point that someone coming off an apprenticeship of 4 years does, when my friends were all starting there first jobs out of college making 40k maby 50k I was buying my first house making double that at 23 years old, it’s not fair to them but they also picked those degrees, some of my friends went to Texas to work for refinery's as engineers starting out at close to 100k a year
There's certain shit that they may do too that I wouldn't being in IT with a 4 year degree; As an example I bet that people working for the refineries make good money but I wouldn't want to do it as just walking up to the Exxon refinery smells like cancer to me. I think it's way simplified in many ways.

ED:Not knocking on people who do it, much the opposite; It's not a job I'd want and they get paid what they do because it's IMO a risky position in a lot of ways.
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Iím not generalizing a bachelor degree, Iím saying a specific degrees pointed at making the best bang for the buck, Iím saying by this point in my career not right out of school
I'd have to think there is a VERY short list of 4 year degrees that will net you $150k by 30s

Obviously higher education than 4 years will have more options, mostly medical field id guess

I'm guessing anyone making 150K on a 4 year degree by 30s would be top 1% or less? Like fell into a high level corporate gig or started their own company, etc.

Sometimes I wish I didn't go to college lol
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ready for my throw shit at the wall statement and see if it sticks?

id bet there are more people aged 30-35, making 150k, who didn't go to college at all than people who have bachelors degrees aged 30-35 making 150k
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I guess I look at a job or career different, when I was 18 I said self I have no idea what I want to do, but I need to figure out how to make the most money possible with the least amount of school because I hate that shit, so I researched what kind of jobs would get me to my goal, luckily I wasn’t lazy and already landed a job with a 30k salary right out of school working for the place I was while attending high school, it took a couple year to find my career path and a few more to move into a company that paid what I was content with
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id bet there are more people aged 30-35, making 150k, who didn't go to college at all

Who are they and are they hiring?
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I work with a few guys that made over 160k last year never taken a class in their life in mid 30ís I was around that neighborhood last year with some decent ot
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Depending on the field you want to get into, obviously, but if you wanted to do some sort of business/desk jockey type of job,

Spend a couple years at a community college while working, and get those gen-ed's out of the way cheaply. Then finish off at a good state school (UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc.). You get the same piece of paper at the end, as someone that paid twice as much as you. Spend a couple of years in the field, and figure out if it's really what you want to be doing...find a company that reimburses for school, and get your master's for free. Use that master's to leverage more money out of your current company or move to one that pays you for your education level.

That would be my guide to someone in high school that's thinking about what to do...if college isn't your thing, get to a trade school or start some apprenticeship...a couple friends are in tool and die, and make real good money.
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Both of who are deep into a career and taking on more responsibility than working the straight 40 hour week or whatever standard schedule is expected from that profession.

If youíre a tenured teacher 20 years into your career, head coach of a sport, assistant at another, I donít see why that is unreasonable compensation

Would you be upset being condemned to a 2-5% raise every year with no chance to earn significant pay bumps through your career?
I'm mostly on board with your example. My issue lies in the tenured part and the pay only being based on experience.

I think the money is deserved if 20+ years are put in, you're coaching, and you're a high performing teacher. IL pays that amount just for having a masters and 20+ years experience, regardless of performance. Then to take it a step further, tenure makes it nearly impossible to be replaced.

I don't blame the teachers for this though, it is a problem with how the state is run. I don't believe you should be able to be a top 10%er just for putting in your time...there needs to be a performance factor.

And same with firemen. I think its deserved after a time and high job performance.
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Depending on the field you want to get into, obviously, but if you wanted to do some sort of business/desk jockey type of job,

Spend a couple years at a community college while working, and get those gen-ed's out of the way cheaply. Then finish off at a good state school (UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc.). You get the same piece of paper at the end, as someone that paid twice as much as you. Spend a couple of years in the field, and figure out if it's really what you want to be doing...find a company that reimburses for school, and get your master's for free. Use that master's to leverage more money out of your current company or move to one that pays you for your education level.

That would be my guide to someone in high school that's thinking about what to do...if college isn't your thing, get to a trade school or start some apprenticeship...a couple friends are in tool and die, and make real good money.
The masters stuff sounds pretty good. I need to stop making excuses on that front. I'd rather pay for my own Masters than be beholden to a company these days though I did that game once and it sucked.

College is not an automatic qualifier for being a good person, nor is working a job with no college a qualifier for being a crappy person. There are many paths to prominence in this world some are better suited than others for individuals. I've also known more than one or two people who were college educated or "smart" and didn't make shit because they didn't have any ambition in life. I object to paying such people $15/hr to have mcjobs.

Hell if I would have been born in 79-80 instead of 83, chances are I'd be going about the world without a degree; The .com economy didn't crash yet.
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ready for my throw shit at the wall statement and see if it sticks?

id bet there are more people aged 30-35, making 150k, who didn't go to college at all than people who have bachelors degrees aged 30-35 making 150k
Would not be surprised in the least
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The masters stuff sounds pretty good. I need to stop making excuses on that front. I'd rather pay for my own Masters than be beholden to a company these days though I did that game once and it sucked.

College is not an automatic qualifier for being a good person, nor is working a job with no college a qualifier for being a crappy person. There are many paths to prominence in this world some are better suited than others for individuals. I've also known more than one or two people who were college educated or "smart" and didn't make shit because they didn't have any ambition in life. I object to paying such people $15/hr to have mcjobs.

Hell if I would have been born in 79-80 instead of 83, chances are I'd be going about the world without a degree; The .com economy didn't crash yet.
Yeah, I guess this is all assuming you're not a complete dipshit

And yeah, I'm in the same boat with the Master's...I really would want an MBA, but need to take some additional classes to be eligible, namely more math
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Depending on the field you want to get into, obviously, but if you wanted to do some sort of business/desk jockey type of job,

Spend a couple years at a community college while working, and get those gen-ed's out of the way cheaply. Then finish off at a good state school (UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc.). You get the same piece of paper at the end, as someone that paid twice as much as you. Spend a couple of years in the field, and figure out if it's really what you want to be doing...find a company that reimburses for school, and get your master's for free. Use that master's to leverage more money out of your current company or move to one that pays you for your education level.

That would be my guide to someone in high school that's thinking about what to do...if college isn't your thing, get to a trade school or start some apprenticeship...a couple friends are in tool and die, and make real good money.
I'd take it even a step further. You don't need UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, etc. to get yourself high paid. Really those schools only help you get your foot in the door.

2 years community college, 2 years at UIC or something (cheap good school), and if you work hard and are capable it will make no difference between someone that went to U of I.

Just need the piece of paper with whatever major it is to get into the field you want.
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Yeah, I guess this is all assuming you're not a complete dipshit
I think a lot of people who hate where they are in this world don't have their shit together enough to realize they don't have their shit together.
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There's certain shit that they may do too that I wouldn't being in IT with a 4 year degree; As an example I bet that people working for the refineries make good money but I wouldn't want to do it as just walking up to the Exxon refinery smells like cancer to me. I think it's way simplified in many ways.

ED:Not knocking on people who do it, much the opposite; It's not a job I'd want and they get paid what they do because it's IMO a risky position in a lot of ways.
Itís true there is risk that comes with working in that environment, but I feel the reward outweighs the risk, of your a smart person you will stay out of danger if your not you wonít get hired in the first place or you will get weeded out fast
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I'd take it even a step further. You don't need UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, etc. to get yourself high paid. Really those schools only help you get your foot in the door.

2 years community college, 2 years at UIC or something (cheap good school), and if you work hard and are capable it will make no difference between someone that went to U of I.

Just need the piece of paper with whatever major it is to get into the field you want.
I ran into some issues with getting looked over, because I went to a "lesser" school. Having a big name has its advantages, and getting that foot in the door is the hardest part these days. Any leg up helps.
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Itís true there is risk that comes with working in that environment, but I feel the reward outweighs the risk, of your a smart person you will stay out of danger if your not you wonít get hired in the first place or you will get weeded out fast
or promoted to a manager

Seriously though I wasn't even talking that I was talking more of dying of a brain tumor at 55.
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