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Old 02-20-2019, 08:54 AM   #26
 
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Long gone are the days of the man of the house working a factory job being able to afford a house, stay at home wife, two kids and a car parked in the driveway. I donít know how anyone is surprised at what is happening now, itís a progression.
Part of me thinks though that this new automation just shifts this scenario to this scenario...

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the man of the house working a software engineer job being able to afford a house, stay at home wife, two kids and a car parked in the driveway. I donít know how anyone is surprised at what is happening now, itís a progression.
I'm not convinced this isn't just going to shift jobs from low skilled workers, to more skilled software/computer/mechanical engineers and those that service this automation. I'm also not totally convinced this happens, but really not sure how it ends up.
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Figured this was going to be $15/hr by next year. Surprised they are staggering it like they are.

That being said, I'm definitely not a fan of artificially dictating and raising minimum wages. Let the market dictate job costs. I understand that some people can't, for whatever reason, "better themselves" to move onward and upward, but throwing a wrench into the economics of it, is going to cause far reaching ripples. The so-called "living wage" is sort of a crock of shit, because it's different everywhere. $15/hr is decent money downstate, but in the city of Chicago, it'll barely pay your rent, let alone support a family.

I assume, staggering the increases, is to lessen the hit on the employer, so that they can gradually adjust. Instead, I think it'll just give employers more time to figure out plans to maybe leave the state or try and automate those jobs or just eliminate the job entirely. I don't see this working well for the state...
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yup. and then, ill be raising my rates and fees aswell.

Wait, so you're not going to just eat those costs and keep the prices for your goods and services the same?
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$5-6 more per hour or more likely- the equivalent increase in percentage...

The question is at what point does a company say where the line is...



If you're making $20 an hour right now, does that mean you should be $27 an hour in 2025?


What about $30 an hour? I don't know if they'll say you're not at $37 an hour....
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Wait, so you're not going to just eat those costs and keep the prices for your goods and services the same?
home repair was $60-80/hr, now will be 80-100/hr
auto repair/fabrication was $80/hr, now will be $100+/hr

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Not a fucking chance that the "rest of us" are getting any more than we currently are...

Prepare yourself for big raises in goods and services...as @BADAZZTEALCOBRA
and @daturbosix said, companies aren't going to just eat this cost...
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Can't wait till the first teachers union says "Well everyone else is going up $7 by 2025, where's our slice of the pie..."


Then we get more taxes.



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But but but, all those people that are making $15/hr are technically paying more taxes!
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Not a fucking chance that the "rest of us" are getting any more than we currently are...

Prepare yourself for big raises in goods and services...as @BADAZZTEALCOBRA
and @daturbosix said, companies aren't going to just eat this cost...

That's the part I'm curious about. I know we're all TCG ballers, but does that mean all our pay stays stagnant because everyone else is getting big jumps in pay?
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I'm sure we still get our kick in the nuts 2.5-3.5% yearly raise.

Frankly, if anything it will be less than that since companies just look at payroll at a consolidated level so they'll lower other's raises to bear the brunt of some going to $15 an hour.
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Can't wait till the first teachers union says "Well everyone else is going up $7 by 2025, where's our slice of the pie..."
my wife better be getting a raise

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Part of me thinks though that this new automation just shifts this scenario to this scenario...



I'm not convinced this isn't just going to shift jobs from low skilled workers, to more skilled software/computer/mechanical engineers and those that service this automation. I'm also not totally convinced this happens, but really not sure how it ends up.
I mean, itís a kind of already here. Wage increase is a reaction to that. Low skilled jobs arenít paying enough to keep up with lifestyle costs and middle class is disappearing to being poor.

Not everyone has the means to better themselves whether thatís a result of intelligence, disability or extenuating life situation. If you feed three mouths by working 80 hours a week at minimum wage, itís really hard to find time or money to get any education or excel at even one of those jobs youíre already doing in hopes of promotion.

I donít know what the answer to current or future problems are. Increased minimum wages? Expansion of social and welfare programs? A universal basic income? There are any number of possible solutions or combinations of them that might be whatís right going forward.
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I'm sure we still get our kick in the nuts 2.5-3.5% yearly raise.

Frankly, if anything it will be less than that since companies just look at payroll at a consolidated level so they'll lower other's raises to bear the brunt of some going to $15 an hour.
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minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a living. theyre meant for supplementary jobs, or for a teen or college kid.

just cuz becky has 6 kids with 5 different daddys and only works part time at a BP station selling watermelon blunt wraps and wood tip swisher sweets doesnt mean she deserves $15/hr.

i mean FUCK. if thats the case, ill go get a job as a bagger at jewel so can stare at the MILFs and collect my $600/week check for doing virtually nothing.
You may have misinterpreted my post. I was not advocating for the $15/hr. I was saying that bumping it up to $15/hr isn't going to really change someone's life. I agree, minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school with no skills. If we cave to $15/hr, I guarantee they will be asking for $20/25 in the near future.
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middle class is disappearing to being poor.

Isn't the upper class also growing? so the middle class is turning into both, not just into poor isn't it?
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If we cave to $15/hr, I guarantee they will be asking for $20/25 in the near future.

How long until those in the $15'ish range now are starting their "Fight for $25" campaigns and marching around....
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Isn't the upper class also growing? so the middle class is turning into both, not just into poor isn't it?
I really donít know other than the separation of wealth is growing.
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https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news...4-a717d4fb1b0b


According to this article it's definitely a shrinking middle class, but high income is also growing....



Looks like I need to put in some work to get into that area...
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Man. What a time to be alive for a young high school kid. When I was that age it was $6.25 or something like that for a basic stock boy job I had. Paid for some gas and misc things here and there.

Shit now they are going to be rolling in the dough for moving some boxes around.

I’m super jealous

You're jealous, my 1st 2 jobs were a buck an hour!!!!!!!

As the actual experts keep saying when these clueless morons keep making up jobs killing laws,
kids will not get a job any more.
The adults that were too stupid to prepare them self will take all these jobs.

Business will suffer, small companies will go bankrupt, and all those people will be unemployed

It is stupid & dangerous to force a company to over pay for someone with ZERO skills.
Anyone can stand in front of a frier or conveyor belt!!!

Watch how much damage this idiot will do, all while adding more & more votes for his re-election because the morons don't care how bad the state is running, as long as they get more than they deserve!!!

Can't wait for the slob and liberal leeches to blame the mass exodus of business on the EVIL wealthy CEO's

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Or those dang ol POS Criminals and Welfare Whores amirite brother

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I mean, itís a kind of already here. Wage increase is a reaction to that. Low skilled jobs arenít paying enough to keep up with lifestyle costs and middle class is disappearing to being poor.

Not everyone has the means to better themselves whether thatís a result of intelligence, disability or extenuating life situation. If you feed three mouths by working 80 hours a week at minimum wage, itís really hard to find time or money to get any education or excel at even one of those jobs youíre already doing in hopes of promotion.

I donít know what the answer to current or future problems are. Increased minimum wages? Expansion of social and welfare programs? A universal basic income? There are any number of possible solutions or combinations of them that might be whatís right going forward.


Disagree completely, it is very easy to improve your self.
It's called get off your fat lazy ass and actually work!!!

Also you have absolutely no business feeding 3 mouths if you are a minimum wage Amazon worker!!!

It is completely idiotic to think or even consider forced minimum wage, bigger welfare whore programs, free income for those unwilling to work!!!

How about considering what actually works, what actually got us to where we are.
It's called work or starve to death!!!!

Free handouts is never the answer, enabling people to be welfare whores generation after generation is how we got where we are now!!!
You do not enable bad behavior, you deter stupidity.

Work, no kids you can't afford, and earn you own way and you will get a decent life.
You are not owed a damn thing you didn't earn, and you sure and hell don't deserve anything the guy smarter than you has.

I don't give a damn these sports guys with an 80 IQ has better every thing than me, it's theirs, they earned it, I didn't.
I would never in a million years demand the government steals it from them and hands it to me.

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This is short sighted. Minimum wage was never meant to be a wage to support a family. It's meant as a stepping stone (IE entry level).

Two things will happen:

1. Businesses will implement technology: McDonalds will implement kiosks so they don't have to employ as many cashiers, businesses will implement in automation, AI, etc. and this will cause people to lose jobs.

2. All of us suckers will pay more for goods and services. The consumer will feel the brunt of the expense increase that businesses will have to shoulder because of this legislation. Portillos will raise their costs, Menards will raise their costs, etc. to maintain profit margins.
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