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Old 01-21-2019, 05:51 PM   #1
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He continued, "Because when your schools are substandard, when your houses are undervalued, when your car insurance costs more for no apparent reason, when poverty rates for black Americans is still twice that of white Americans, ... there's something we have to admit. Not you -- we -- White America has to admit there's a still a systematic racism. And it goes almost unnoticed by so many of us."
It just irks me when someone says that the color of someone's skin is determining how successful they are in life. It's complete bullshit.

Houses are undervalued because of racism? Having more expensive car insurance premiums because you live in a high crime area is racism? Racism is not the cause of our different socioeconomics statuses. Until people realize that, nothing will change.
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It just irks me when someone says that the color of someone's skin is determining how successful they are in life. It's complete bullshit.



Houses are undervalued because of racism? Having more expensive car insurance premiums because you live in a high crime area is racism? Racism is not the cause of our different socioeconomics statuses. Until people realize that, nothing will change.


Isnít car insurance more expensive for young males than young females? I guess thatís sexist then right???



No itís all STATISTICS, teenage boys are more likely to speed and wrap their car around a tree and therefore their premiums are higher. Life ainít fair bitchez, get used to it!
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Remember when Joe and team made healthcare costs for everyone skyrocket? That must have been racist too.
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Remember when Joe and team made healthcare costs for everyone skyrocket? That must have been racist too.


Yep, I love how my copays on insurance went from $5.00 to $7000.00, seriously..... thanks Obama
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Racism is not the cause of our different socioeconomics statuses.
i mean it's not the cause because there is no single the cause for any socioeconomic status.

but your parents play a huge factor in yours. slavery wasn't that long ago and the civil rights act was in 1964 where if you weren't alive, your parents probably were along with your grandparents, with many of them still living. racism has undeniably played a large role in socioeconomic status of people and families today.

i don't agree that there is this widespread systemic racism as in 2018 the law seems pretty well equal - but that doesn't necessarily mean it is applied equally. one of the famous and current examples is sentencing guidelines introduced into florida to try and create equal punishments from court - but even with the guidelines, blacks are getting more harsh sentences.
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While I might believe biden cares more for blacks, Hispanics & poor than rapist bill & "never POS crooked hillary" ever did,
he's still a liberal leech that thinks the government is every ones babysitter & piggy bank!!!
If he really truly wanted to make a difference, he would be speaking out more about the animals murdering each other & us in our cities,
that's the biggest threat to the blacks future.
Not some POS losers that hate every black guy because of skin color, instead of judging him by his actions.
How many racist POS have murdered black guys today, this week, this year!!!!
How many black animals murdered an innocent black guy during the same period!!!!

Stating a fact is not an evil thing, a fact is a fact!!!!

You want to help, then help, but pretending you care about some made up BS doesn't help in any way.
White America is not going to change, most of us are already judging every one by their actions,
the few POS racist will always be POS racists!!!!


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i mean it's not the cause because there is no single the cause for any socioeconomic status.

but your parents play a huge factor in yours. slavery wasn't that long ago and the civil rights act was in 1964 where if you weren't alive, your parents probably were along with your grandparents, with many of them still living. racism has undeniably played a large role in socioeconomic status of people and families today.

i don't agree that there is this widespread systemic racism as in 2018 the law seems pretty well equal - but that doesn't necessarily mean it is applied equally. one of the famous and current examples is sentencing guidelines introduced into florida to try and create equal punishments from court - but even with the guidelines, blacks are getting more harsh sentences.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding Biden's post, but he seems to think that systemic racism is a key factor in the disproportionate poverty levels between races.

My wife's parents don't have much money at all. They definitely didn't have money to pay for my wife's education. She took out a student loan. Her parents didn't even support her desire to go to college. I'm not sure how that fits that narrative that people with poor parents have poor children.
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Before welfare came around, black income was closing in on white income. Since Welfare, it has plummeted again.

Figure that one out.
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Before welfare came around, black income was closing in on white income. Since Welfare, it has plummeted again.

Figure that one out.
I would like for Joe there to explain how there's almost no disparity between black and white women. Why is it only black men that seem to have this problem? If it were racism wouldn't black women have this problem too?

Besides that I would also like Joe to explain how a 26% (yes that's right) of African American households have two parents. Statistically speaking a single parent household is horrible for children and their futures. It's also horrible for unmarried men and their futures too. Post wealthfare rise in the 60s the rates of African American families dropped below that of slavery times. The idea that there were more in tact families during the horrible institution of slavery is really really screwed up.

I'm not saying that there's other people without blame. But a lack of introspection of groups like BLM does no one any good what so ever.

It's pandering for the election to get the intersectional vote and little else IMO.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding Biden's post, but he seems to think that systemic racism is a key factor in the disproportionate poverty levels between races.
yes he's saying that systemic racism is a current contributor. i believe it is the least it has ever been, but as i noted above with the sentencing in florida, it still exists in application. kensington mentioned something about how cpcs funding works, i'm unfamiliar with that. in any case it's much more grey and softer than it was in the past but i don't believe it no longer exists at all, and anywhere we find it, we'll have to come up with ways to try and fix it on an individual basis.

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My wife's parents don't have much money at all. They definitely didn't have money to pay for my wife's education. She took out a student loan. Her parents didn't even support her desire to go to college. I'm not sure how that fits that narrative that people with poor parents have poor children.
why stop at your wife? larry ellison iirc was quite poor and he cofounded oracle and is worth billions and billions. how does the narrative fit him? it fits them both just fine, because it's a description of how millions and millions of people move on the average. an exception doesn't matter. you can find people who are in the top 20% who fall into the bottom 20% as well. of course that happens far less often. and doesn't change the fact that if your parents were in the top 20%, you're probably going to do pretty well yourself. not only is the wealth behind you but the environment is different - you probably have both parents, and your parents are going to raise you differently than people in other classes.
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Before welfare came around, black income was closing in on white income. Since Welfare, it has plummeted again.

Figure that one out.
what's the source for this?
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what's the source for this?

Flyn University of Florida ???


I thought I had read that somewhere previously though too, but cant remember where.
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yes he's saying that systemic racism is a current contributor. i believe it is the least it has ever been, but as i noted above with the sentencing in florida, it still exists in application. kensington mentioned something about how cpcs funding works, i'm unfamiliar with that. in any case it's much more grey and softer than it was in the past but i don't believe it no longer exists at all, and anywhere we find it, we'll have to come up with ways to try and fix it on an individual basis.



why stop at your wife? larry ellison iirc was quite poor and he cofounded oracle and is worth billions and billions. how does the narrative fit him? it fits them both just fine, because it's a description of how millions and millions of people move on the average. an exception doesn't matter. you can find people who are in the top 20% who fall into the bottom 20% as well. of course that happens far less often. and doesn't change the fact that if your parents were in the top 20%, you're probably going to do pretty well yourself. not only is the wealth behind you but the environment is different - you probably have both parents, and your parents are going to raise you differently than people in other classes.
Also anyone ever consider growing up in hard times creates drive to exit the struggle?
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That is what motivated my wife. Her family grew up relatively poor. She made up her mind that she didn't want that for herself. Both and her sister decided that. My wife was the first one to go to college in her family. Everyone else thought it was a waste of time.
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yes he's saying that systemic racism is a current contributor. i believe it is the least it has ever been, but as i noted above with the sentencing in florida, it still exists in application.

why stop at your wife? larry ellison iirc was quite poor and he cofounded oracle and is worth billions and billions. how does the narrative fit him? it fits them both just fine, because it's a description of how millions and millions of people move on the average. an exception doesn't matter. you can find people who are in the top 20% who fall into the bottom 20% as well. of course that happens far less often. and doesn't change the fact that if your parents were in the top 20%, you're probably going to do pretty well yourself. not only is the wealth behind you but the environment is different - you probably have both parents, and your parents are going to raise you differently than people in other classes.
You can say just about everything is a contributor for some outcome. I'm saying that people are putting a ridiculous emphasis on racism being the biggest contributor. This is just spit-balling for a point. I feel like the democrats are saying that racism accounts for 90% of why certain minorities are near poverty, when I feel like it's more like 10%. I don't deny that historical, blatant racism has contributed to the disparity, but I don't know that it should still be impacting people as much these days.

I feel like we're saying the same thing, but it also feels like you're defending Biden's assertion.
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You can say just about everything is a contributor for some outcome. I'm saying that people are putting a ridiculous emphasis on racism being the biggest contributor. This is just spit-balling for a point. I feel like the democrats are saying that racism accounts for 90% of why certain minorities are near poverty, when I feel like it's more like 10%. I don't deny that historical, blatant racism has contributed to the disparity, but I don't know that it should still be impacting people as much these days.

I feel like we're saying the same thing, but it also feels like you're defending Biden's assertion.
i'm rejecting biden's assertion as i agree with you that he's putting more emphasis on current systemic racism than is warranted to explain discrepancies. however i don't believe that means system racism has been reduced to 0% in practice.

i'm also challenging your 90/10 split though as i don't believe past racism only accounts for 10% of current socioeconomic class, because we are still close to times where racism was very present in both people and law. those people very directly were kept down. and your parents have a huge impact on your class. i don't believe there is a better predictor as to how much money you make than how much money your parents make. next best would be education - where your parents are also predictors in now much you attain - but with public funding and aid we are able to send people to school at least up through 18. parents will be the biggest factor on where anyone in aggregate is going to fall - and individual educational attainment is generally going to to the biggest factor in someone's ability to climb up out of one bracket into another.
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Your parents work ethic plays more of a roll than what they made or what they did, when I was a kid my dad was a boat mechanic ran a small mechanic shop out of our garage after he got home from he regulator job as a mechanic, my mom was a night shift janitor, I make double there combined income right now, because I saw my parents bust there ass for what they had which wasn’t a lot but always enough
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Also anyone ever consider growing up in hard times creates drive to exit the struggle?

Exactly.

AGAIN, Jews were used, abused and murdered for 1000's of years.
They don't live in ghetto's, they don't destroy every neighborhood they take over, they don't demand free everything AND reparations because the pharaoh was mean to them 3000 years ago, they don't blame every one & their mother for holding them back.
They worked for what they have, with no excuses.

blacks got a bad deal for ~200 years, and it was horrible.
Then the Conservatives finally got a clue, and died to free them, and have given them every opportunity under the sun to succeed!!!
Yes, POS people tried to hold them back.
Yes POS people still hate them for their color.
I would be willing to bet more people hate them for being POS animals destroying their cities, disproportionate crimes committed, abusing the help systems, uncivilized behavior, and refusal to earn their own damn way than their skin color!!!!

I still think there are way more hard working, contributing members of society in the black community than POS criminals, but those guys aren't in the headlines daily!!!!


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Why is it always white people's responsibility? My ancestors were in Europe when slavery was legal, my Great Grandfather had to change his last name after he came to this county because nobody would hire Polish immigrants. Why should it be our responsibility when kids in the ghetto are ostracized for wanting to do well in school by their peers, where the culture is to have as many fatherless kids as you can, where it's "street code" to not tell the police who murdered a 9 year old kid with a stray bullet. Fuck that.
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Exactly.

AGAIN, Jews were used, abused and murdered for 1000's of years.
They don't live in ghetto's, they don't destroy every neighborhood they take over, they don't demand free everything AND reparations because the pharaoh was mean to them 3000 years ago, they don't blame every one & their mother for holding them back.
They worked for what they have, with no excuses.

blacks got a bad deal for ~200 years, and it was horrible.
Then the Conservatives finally got a clue, and died to free them, and have given them every opportunity under the sun to succeed!!!
Yes, POS people tried to hold them back.
Yes POS people still hate them for their color.
I would be willing to bet more people hate them for being POS animals destroying their cities, disproportionate crimes committed, abusing the help systems, uncivilized behavior, and refusal to earn their own damn way than their skin color!!!!

I still think there are way more hard working, contributing members of society in the black community than POS criminals, but those guys aren't in the headlines daily!!!!


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those aren't very comparable for a myriad of reasons, ie. look at the history of jews and jobs they did simply based on views of their religion as well as others. they of course did mot also have the more recent historical handicap in america of both slavery and exclusionary policies.

as far as your latter comments it seems like you are implying blacks simply are 'greater criminals' for sake of what... just being black? part of criminality is in choosing what and where to enforce the law as well; example from aclu report: https://www.aclu.org/report/report-w...lack-and-white
read pages 17 to 21. basically blacks and whites are criminals in the same amount for this minor crime - but blacks get in way more legal trouble for it. what is the response to this? hey blacks, stop being such big criminals, be like us whites? they are already breaking the law in the same amount. we have achieved equality in breaking this law! just not in applying the law.

this study shows that the majority of crime is interracial - black/black, white/white https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf - the percentage went up for more violent crimes. it notes 94-2015 white/white and black/black violent crime dropped at the same rate. you can see rates for other combos and how they have been trending over years too like black-white white-black violence in figure 2.

there's also info out by the bureau of justice statistics on offenders and victims
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
it is not race but poverty that made someone more likely to be a victim. except in the case of hispanics, who were significantly less than whites or blacks, largely so at the poverty level. hey poor whites, why don't you try acting like poor hispanics?? arguably part of this may be that in NON-sanctuary city type areas, hispanics may not report being a victim for fear of having recourse due to their legal status. although this just leads to an argument in support of sanctuary - so we can properly collect info and investigate crime and go after the actual people who are committing violent crimes vs. people who snuck across a border trying to escape generational poverty.
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Why is it always white people's responsibility? My ancestors were in Europe when slavery was legal, my Great Grandfather had to change his last name after he came to this county because nobody would hire Polish immigrants. Why should it be our responsibility when kids in the ghetto are ostracized for wanting to do well in school by their peers, where the culture is to have as many fatherless kids as you can, where it's "street code" to not tell the police who murdered a 9 year old kid with a stray bullet. Fuck that.
why stop at black/white, i mean why is anyone poorer than me my responsibility?

we are all better off when people at the top can help lift people at the bottom up. i'm not keen on hand outs but the way the system is supposed to work is lending a hand to help someone up. because i don't want to see old or sick people dying and begging in the streets, or go down some ally at night and get the fuck all kicked out of me for $40.
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Income inequality doesn't always lead to criminality. EX:

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The new data shows that 21 percent of black men raised at the very bottom were incarcerated, according to a snapshot of a single day during the 2010 census. Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.
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That said though it's pandering; He'll get his votes then he'll see em in 4 years if he wins the presidency.
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