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Read a pretty lengthy write up on the "future" of NASCAR. I'm assuming its fake news as I cannot find it anymore. I'm going to speak on what I took away from it anyway. Article stated that after strict NASCAR guidelines around '07 it was better for NASCAR to use sedan models because of demographics and advertising. Yadda yadda yadda... with last years entry of the Zl1 it became clear to them that NASCAR was a family market and not a "car enthusiast" market. In effort to change that the biggest whisper I got from said article was that it's very possible that Toyota and Ford (NASCAR'S 2 other heavy hitters aside from Chevy) are leaning toward the same move Chevy made in effort to boost sales. Sports cars. Not sedans running NASCAR events. I really enjoy the idea. However it's who fills the seats. NASCAR events can get pretty lit. But only as lit as your 40th b'day at your parents house in Hoboken. I can't imagine meshing 20,000 18-25 year old "men" with alcohol and the unlimited arguements to be had about the street models of those stock cars. Supra, big name yea. Mustang GT500, big name yea. Camaro ZL1, big name yea. Would I consider watching more because these cars may be apart of their series, nah. Will it even have any affect on a car enthusiast at all? Probably not. So here it is... why doesn't NASCAR brand it's own vehicle? A "NAS-CAR" I'm sure they get hella paid for brand representation from Ford and Chevy etc but imagine going to pick up a 2019 street version of a stock car ac, ps, comfy seat, opening door, no trunk tho! Why the hell is NASCAR worried about what cars we like if they have to be all the same? My prediction is stock car racing will be the smallest racing market in 10 years (if it's even around then) of all automotive racing. Who tf even knows the steps to take to be a stock car driver? I don't. I'm pretty sure you need shit tons of money tho. All this no prep shit roll racing in traffic etc. NASCAR doesn't understand, a 17 year old can buy a shitty 3rd gen Camaro pill it till it blows and immerse themselves into the "street culture". When tf has an 18-25 of any gender came up to you and said "you seen that race at Richmond last weekend Buttcowski killed it". No. I mean a loss of 5 million viewers is a lot. Only regularly nationally televised professional sport to do so to my knowledge. Well those are my thoughts.
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Gif indicates you think I have mixed emotions ON TOPIC. Do I want NASCAR to be saved? Yes. Will I help it be saved? No. Can I make some shit up I think can help them? Yes. Can ANYTHING save NASCAR? Well that's the purpose of the thread.
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I do like watching NASCAR live at the track (preferably the infield)
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I followed NASCAR a lot when I worked for Budweiser. I got to go to many races for free because of Bud. Now, I ainít paying a monthly mortgage payment to take my family to a race. Thatís the first problem.

Second, they need to attract new younger followers. Good luck with the millennials. Their hardcore fans are getting older and will eventually...die.

I still like me some NASCAR though. I would like to see the cars evolve from the usual cookie cutter bodies.
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Second, they need to attract new younger followers. Good luck with the millennials. Their hardcore fans are getting older and will eventually...die.
This is the big problem. NASCAR needs to market to younger people and refine their image. Right now, NASCAR's image is that the only people who go to NASCAR races are southern, toothless, Budweiser swilling, redneck, Trump voting hillbillies.
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I think I would be a fan of NASCAR if the races alternated between an oval track and a road course every other week. I canít sit there and watch them going in a circle all day.
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Never liked it, think it's dumb, sure it probably takes talent to go 180mph in a circle, but wow is that boring.
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I'm a huge fan and go to races, watch on TV, play in a fantasy league. If you haven't been in a few years, the experience has changed. Kids 12 and under are free at Xfinity and truck races, and you can bring your own food and beer into the stands. Plus parking is free.

As a more recent fan, post-Sr, I feel they're alienating many potential new fans by focusing so much of their marketing efforts on the "good ole days." And I don't think all of it is in their control. I follow a number of tracks on social media, and tracks' individual marketing efforts are also stuck in the past. The new crowd of drivers like Kyle Larson, Darrell Wallace Jr and Ryan Blaney are extremely entertaining to follow on social media, and behind the wheel, but you don't see them being pushed to new audiences by Nascar. They're partnering with new brands and bringing them into Nascar (many seem like small endorsements), but the big company itself doesn't seem to be doing much with that.

The racing isn't as archaic as it looks, which is another area you don't hear much about unless you start digging. They've lured F1 engineers, and one interview said because cornering speeds are higher in Nascar than F1, it presents greater potential with aerodynamics, which has attracted the interest of the F1 crowd. That's why you see tactics a few years ago when jack guys slammed their body weight into a very precise part of the car to create an aero advantage. Also, fuel injection is a McLaren unit.

But I'm mostly a fan of the racing. It seems the only main, televised series left with side-by-side, wheel-to-wheel racing. Not always, but there are often last-lap passes, close finishes, and when there isn't, there's at least some part of the field that's digging for a few spots and putting on a great show. I followed F1 for a few seasons and been to a race but I've grown so bored of seeing the same two guys on the same team fight for the win. In Nascar, the other guys still at least have a chance.

As for the cars, I don't think you'd see much fo the sport left without OEM involvement. They pump millions of dollars into the feeder system to bring up drivers, engine and aero R&D, primary race sponsorship and commercials during the race.
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Oh, also, races need to be an hour shorter. Not great for revenue with room for fewer ads, but some of these races drag on in the middle, and the shorter ones put on amazing racing.
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I followed NASCAR a lot when I worked for Budweiser. I got to go to many races for free because of Bud. Now, I ain’t paying a monthly mortgage payment to take my family to a race. That’s the first problem.

Second, they need to attract new younger followers. Good luck with the millennials. Their hardcore fans are getting older and will eventually...die.

I still like me some NASCAR though. I would like to see the cars evolve from the usual cookie cutter bodies.
Seems to be no big household names racing (Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, etc). Dedicated fans have their drivers, but not the household names that the average joe would recognize.

Agree with the price, especially anything to do with the Chicagoland Speedway. Hell, even the demo derby at the dirty oval is an expensive night.

We take the kids to see the demo derby / auto racing at the Kankakee, Grundy County and Sycamore speedways.
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I would almost say they do have a Nas-car. with all the templates and standards they have to follow engines are really the only difference. The body is all stickers or wrap to get the car look.
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I’m in the NASCAR is boring camp...but most racing is boring to watch.

Best race to watch is Isle of Man TT...but that’s not even cars

I’d probably enjoy driving in a NASCAR race tho
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Nascar has aFB page called Nascarsm or some shit. It posts outrageous articles because they are "sarcastic."

With that said, I did not watch as much racing this past season. With detailing on Saturdays that left Sundays for driving the car or washing my truck
I DVR'd races but if I caught the last 40 laps or so then I just deleted the DVR.

I don't think making the "car" a 2 door vs a 4 door makes 1 bit of difference.
it was stupid to put a 4 door moniker on a 2 door Nascar anyways.
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NASCAR needs to return to its roots. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

These 'cars' are not even a distant shadow of what they are pretending to emulate as production vehicles.

My God, do I miss the days of the 1979 Daytona 500 when the drivers actually raced car bodies made from some real production car parts.

Seems the best bet is the Enduro League -
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I would rather see a real Chevy chasing a real Ford at 145mph than a half million dollar engineering masterpiece with Ford printed on it chasing another half million dollar masterpiece with Chevy printed on it doing 190 mph.
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NASCAR needs to return to its roots. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

These 'cars' are not even a distant shadow of what they are pretending to emulate as production vehicles.

My God, do I miss the days of the 1979 Daytona 500 when the drivers actually raced car bodies made from some real production car parts.

Seems the best bet is the Enduro League -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enduro_race

I would rather see a real Chevy chasing a real Ford at 145mph than a half million dollar engineering masterpiece with Ford printed on it chasing another half million dollar masterpiece with Chevy printed on it doing 190 mph.
My Dad would always bring up this argument. It's really bullshit. If they didn't have all the restrictions, then there would be no innovation to create advantages to win...and have that technology trickle down to the consumer...thus race on sunday, sell on monday.
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Thanks for all the input. I'm sort of an opinion hoarder. I enjoy knowing (without debate) opinions of others who oppose mine . Nascar on TV is boring. Live is better and like all racing the closer to the pit the more fun you have. I just really think its dying out.

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Last night during one of many insomniac episodes that many of us 3rd shift/ over night workers have when not at work, I flipped off the phone and went to the fire stick. As I continued on from my previous watch of Seinfeld (the "yadda yadda yadda" episode) it went Gatorade,water, vomit, not in that order particularly but I was pretty cashed out. Happened to roll over look at the TV see a "Skip Barber Driving School" decal. Seeing this sobered me up because it made me wonder something. How have these drivers became drivers? I've never heard of Skip until my mid 20s because I wasnt raised in a NASCAR/racing lifestyle household. My belief is there's no way for "Plumber Joe's", "Handy Andy's", or pretty much anyone to enter stock car racing even on an amateur level. Maybe if Skip's team and other influencers of NASCARs best times focused more on the future of racing, instead of it's current state and themselves and own greed maybe there would be millenial nascar fans. Name:  20190106_190504.jpeg
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I don't watch NASCAR, but I would start if they actually did this.
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a "real" ford or chevy won't survive 145 mph for 500 laps.

Safety etc would not allow for this. If Nascar is "dying" then why would win on Sunday, sell on Monday be legitimate ?

how many "good ole boys" are buying toyota instead of Ford or Chevy ?

it's all a farce. As long as fans show up to see 500k machines drive in circles, then the sport will survive. It's not stopping the sponsors from shelling out big money
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As a kid growing up in the 80's I was a huge fan. But NASCAR lost me when two things happened;

1) They went away from allowing the manufacturer's to come up with better mousetraps. There is nothing wrong with keeping a playing field even, but you almost take the impetus away from the manufacturer to bring a better car to the field if it just has to be homogenized next season allowing all other brands to have the same thing you developed.

2) It became nothing more than big corporation sponsorship. I get you have to have sponsors. It's essential. But when I see a car with Cheerios, M&M's, Viagra, Vagisil, etc on the hood... WTF! What does Cheerios have to do with car racing.
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Sounds like what we want is gtlm cars doing ovals and road courses, but in a package that keeps the action constant and close and instead of vettes and GTs, Mustangs and camaros.
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I'm a huge fan and go to races, watch on TV, play in a fantasy league. If you haven't been in a few years, the experience has changed. Kids 12 and under are free at Xfinity and truck races, and you can bring your own food and beer into the stands. Plus parking is free.

As a more recent fan, post-Sr, I feel they're alienating many potential new fans by focusing so much of their marketing efforts on the "good ole days." And I don't think all of it is in their control. I follow a number of tracks on social media, and tracks' individual marketing efforts are also stuck in the past. The new crowd of drivers like Kyle Larson, Darrell Wallace Jr and Ryan Blaney are extremely entertaining to follow on social media, and behind the wheel, but you don't see them being pushed to new audiences by Nascar. They're partnering with new brands and bringing them into Nascar (many seem like small endorsements), but the big company itself doesn't seem to be doing much with that.

The racing isn't as archaic as it looks, which is another area you don't hear much about unless you start digging. They've lured F1 engineers, and one interview said because cornering speeds are higher in Nascar than F1, it presents greater potential with aerodynamics, which has attracted the interest of the F1 crowd. That's why you see tactics a few years ago when jack guys slammed their body weight into a very precise part of the car to create an aero advantage. Also, fuel injection is a McLaren unit.

But I'm mostly a fan of the racing. It seems the only main, televised series left with side-by-side, wheel-to-wheel racing. Not always, but there are often last-lap passes, close finishes, and when there isn't, there's at least some part of the field that's digging for a few spots and putting on a great show. I followed F1 for a few seasons and been to a race but I've grown so bored of seeing the same two guys on the same team fight for the win. In Nascar, the other guys still at least have a chance.

As for the cars, I don't think you'd see much fo the sport left without OEM involvement. They pump millions of dollars into the feeder system to bring up drivers, engine and aero R&D, primary race sponsorship and commercials during the race.
would playing in a fantasy league make me enjoy it more? it helped with football outside of the bears for me.

i think they need some how to boost the trans am series back to popularity. i started watching it again last year, and its good racing but needs some thrill brought back to it.
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would playing in a fantasy league make me enjoy it more? it helped with football outside of the bears for me.

i think they need some how to boost the trans am series back to popularity. i started watching it again last year, and its good racing but needs some thrill brought back to it.
Sounds familiar. Instead of rooting for one or two guys, I ended up rooting for whomever was on my roster. You have a bench driver that got thrown in when primaries wrecked. The wreckage definitely is unique. At Talladega, my entire roster was taken out in one wreck. My favorite league, Yahoo, was discontinued last year so I played the Nascar official league, and it's trash. Considering not doing it this year. Placed second a few years ago and won a few hundo, but since then have had absolute shit luck and not a fan of the Nascar official system. There's not enough incentive to use B and C drivers so there's not much strategy. Just run Harvick, MTJ, KB, Keselowski and a few other consistent performers.
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