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Old 10-05-2018, 02:13 PM   #551
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16 shots was excessive. I think the whole situation is way different if that happens. Maybe Laquan is subdued and lives.
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I'm not talking about the verdict. I'm talking purely about the shooting itself.


Given what it was said he was doing that night carrying a weapon down the middle of the street. Slashing tires and wielding it around in public, not stopping to police commands.

Seems justified to me. Again the shooting not the number of shots.
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I think they were backup jurors that were dismissed.
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So I havent followed anyones posts or comments or much of this trial...

But are there any members here who honestly think 16 shots was NOT excessive?
I think everyone in this thread thought 16 shots was excessive. Whether or not M1 charges were feasible to convict Van Dyke I think is what everyone was arguing.
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So I havent followed anyones posts or comments or much of this trial...

But are there any members here who honestly think 16 shots was NOT excessive?
Was it excessive? Yes, from a “stopping the threat perspective”.

But dead is dead, no matter how many ounces of lead is pumped into the body.
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Excessive # of shots often gets overlooked if the shooting is justified.

In this case, the city wanted guilty and excessive... And they got it.
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Listen people we got kavenaugh.... we cant have everything

Jeez guys.
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Yes, 16 was 13-14 more than needed, especially when he was clearly dead and still being shot.
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Maybe not dead but completely subdued
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Watching the news things seem peaceful so far.

Lots of protestors are going to be pissed they won’t be getting a free pair of Nike shoes right now
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Maybe not dead but completely subdued
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Guy had control and character issues and should of never been on the job. Of course 16 shots was excessive, especially when most of those shots were when the guy was on the ground. Then conspired and lied with other cops about what went down... Hes definitely guilty of that.

Murder, no....
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Every one going home or RIOTING?
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So I havent followed anyones posts or comments or much of this trial...

But are there any members here who honestly think 16 shots was NOT excessive?


Did his pistol only carry 16 rounds?

“Why did you shoot him 16 times Mr Van Dyke?”
“I felt it unnecessary to reload.”
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The second part. Number of shots is almost unimportant. You're trained to shoot to neutralize. If one shot is justified, the rest are or if magnitude easier to justify.
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Did his pistol only carry 16 rounds?

“Why did you shoot him 16 times Mr Van Dyke?”
“I felt it unnecessary to reload.”
Co-worker of mine said he wished he would have reloaded and put another 16 in him.

once he was deemed no longer a threat, the shots should have stopped. how many shots that took, i do not know, i don't remember the video. and from what i gather, van kept shooting well after he was on the ground, no longer moving.
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I'm not talking about the verdict. I'm talking purely about the shooting itself.
I am not defending the situation... but realistically think about this...

Van Dyke pulled his weapon to end a threat, during the intense and overwhelming emotional situation he was fixated on the threat until the threat was gone. He had tunnel vision just staring at the threat and pulling the trigger not knowing how many times he missed, hit, or grazed. He just wanted it to end.

While I agree with you it seems excessive, but unless you were in that sitiuation you really shouldn't try to be a monday morning qb..
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16 shots dude. 16. What fuckin' cop shot someone with a KNIFE 16 times?
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16 shots dude. 16. What fuckin' cop shot someone with a KNIFE 16 times?

Again, I can armchair quarterback this and say it was too many shots... but seriously I wasn't there and I have no idea how I would have reacted...

And realistically no one here can...
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I am not defending the situation... but realistically think about this...

Van Dyke pulled his weapon to end a threat, during the intense and overwhelming emotional situation he was fixated on the threat until the threat was gone. He had tunnel vision just staring at the threat and pulling the trigger not knowing how many times he missed, hit, or grazed. He just wanted it to end.

While I agree with you it seems excessive, but unless you were in that sitiuation you really shouldn't try to be a monday morning qb..
Had the kid lunged at him or pull a gun I could understand that. I think the complicated thing is to look at it first as did the kid pose a direct threat to the cop, and then second was the cops actions excessive. If the first was justified then the second would then be viewed differently. I could be onboard with what you're saying if the kid truly posed a threat to the cop but that was not the case in the footage.
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If a cop can't control themselves in intense situations, they shouldn't be a cop. If they do lose their shit in intense situations and shoot someone 16 times, they go to jail. Who gives a FUCK how he felt in the heat of the moment.
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3 shot, 10 shots, 16 shots....

Dead is dead.

Focusing on if he should have fired his weapon in the first place is the focus.
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Had the kid lunged at him or pull a gun I could understand that. I think the complicated thing is to look at it first as did the kid pose a direct threat to the cop, and then second was the cops actions excessive. If the first was justified then the second would then be viewed differently. I could be onboard with what you're saying if the kid truly posed a threat to the cop but that was not the case in the footage.
I should have said I really didn't watch the video, I try to stay out of these. But from what I remember the cop pulled up pretty close to laquan and laquan turned toward the cop (he was around 20 so feet away at that point) and started shooting. Is that pretty correct?

If thats the case I can justify the decision to end a threat. Why dont we state the obvious here and say this all could have been avoided if he would have just dropped the knife...
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If a cop can't control themselves in intense situations, they shouldn't be a cop. If they do lose their shit in intense situations and shoot someone 16 times, they go to jail. Who gives a FUCK how he felt in the heat of the moment.
Not arguing his employment....

Just like you can't argue what you would do in the situation, adrenaline is a bitch and you don't know what it would do to you in situations like these...
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and LISTENED to the officers demands!

Again and again this repeats itself
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Per Van Dyke’s attorney -

16 counts is the same as 1 count of battery - 15 to 30 yrs

They cannot add bats with murder, going to have to pick one or the other at sentencing

Chicago is going to have to decide, do they want Police officers, or Security Guards who do not get out of the car.
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