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Old 10-04-2018, 07:36 PM   #326
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What @Grabber has posted is the similar feeling I get when I'm at a bar and something is about to go down, or when I'm reacting to a live traffic incident(crash) or even more so in my dreams. Exactly what he described is what I feel in all those situations...

I've had dozens of dreams of someone breaking into the house and the gun jamming or trying to take aim, etc.... I could never imagine having that feeling in a real life scenario....
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The second part. Number of shots is almost unimportant. You're trained to shoot to neutralize. If one shot is justified, the rest are or if magnitude easier to justify.
Why is this so hard for people to understand? If 1 shot is justified, all of them are. It’s inconsequential.
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Why is this so hard for people to understand? If 1 shot is justified, all of them are. It’s inconsequential.


In the court of law....yes. In the public opinion it definitely does.

From what I remember it was a very questionable justified shoot imho, but again it’s very questionable
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My question is did he change the mag? If not and he thought there was a threat (I could believe he did but because he didn't properly assess the situation before intervening) shooting until the mag was drained (which is likely what happened) is plausible. 16 rounds would likely be in the neighborhood of many duty pistols in 9mm. According to this, it seems as if he could be carrying most anything since he wasn't on a probationary period.

"More than 13,000 sworn officers strong, the CPD is second largest department in the nation. CPD officers buy their own duty gear, including their uniform and weapon, handcuffs and baton. The annual uniform allowance is $1,800.

New recruits must purchase a Glock 17 or Glock 19, which they may keep or switch after their probation. Officers hired before 1996 may keep old DA/SA or single-action-only pistols, as well as their S&W or Ruger revolvers in .38 Special.

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While you goons are still going rounds if this shooting was justified, store owners in the city are boarding up, gathering friends / family and handing out guns / ammo in anticipation of this verdict.
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(Since this is likely under snowflake microscope, I mean the freedom to defend what's yours by any means. Not the reckless firing into crowds)
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Just curious.

There is a line in Vegas to bet on just about anything.

Is there a line on Chicago rioting after this case verdict?
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Still fascinating about this potential gathering off of Jeffries and talk about soft targets. ? . ? .

Nice crowd clearing device, and cheap -
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/c...715127985.html

A small pile of redneck assholes with AR - 15's and one could set a new record for mass Kills/Harvests/Murders depending on your point of view.
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Take this for what its worth.
Both jurors that were dismissed yesterday said they would have voted guilty on 1st degree murder.
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“Most definitely I would have said guilty,” said one dismissed alternate, a Hispanic man who drives a truck for FedEx. “For me, he should have waited a little bit longer. I mean he knew the Taser was coming. That’s what did it for me


The other alternate, a white woman who works in marketing at a downtown law firm, said she was swayed by the fact that other officers on the scene that night didn’t feel the need to use deadly force — and McDonald was trying to get away from officers, not charge toward them.

“When he was on a dark street with someone, he popped a tire to try to get away. He hit a car to try to disable it. He wasn’t coming at folks,” she said. “Where was he actually causing an issue that Jason Van Dyke thought that he needed to use deadly force? I just didn’t understand that.
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The second part. Number of shots is almost unimportant. You're trained to shoot to neutralize. If one shot is justified, the rest are or if magnitude easier to justify.
seriously.


end of this part of the convo. for real.
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I wonder if there will be a verdict today
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seriously.


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I see what has been said, but i feel it doesnt fit this particular case.

If you had to shoot a perp coming at you once, then twice, then 7 times before he is down and no longer advancing, then no the shot count doesnt matter.

just cause it took, what 1 or 2 to drop this mfer doesnt make the 14 more justifiable.


this case is purely based on shot count, that is it. if LEO had a .50 cal it would've been one shot and case closed, you wouldnt know wtf a laqauin or a van dyke was
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I see what has been said, but i feel it doesnt fit this particular case.

If you had to shoot a perp coming at you once, then twice, then 7 times before he is down and no longer advancing, then no the shot count doesnt matter.

just cause it took, what 1 or 2 to drop this mfer doesnt make the 14 more justifiable.


this case is purely based on shot count, that is it. if LEO had a .50 cal it would've been one shot and case closed, you wouldnt know wtf a laqauin or a van dyke was
Agreed 100%, 2-3 shots, he is dead and this isnt even news a week after it happened. His family would have sued and got paid.

Lot of you guys keep saying he was high on PCP. Thats unproven, yes he had small traces of PCP in his system but they cant pin point if it was that day or a week before. I get it that Van Dyke said his eyes were bulging out of his head and thats a sign of someone on PCP. But what else is he supposed to say, remember he was coached for a long time by his defense team. If he wasnt he would have never took the stand.

Imo and I have watched most of the trial, have seen the defenses hired video team's video. He never once turned towards Van Dyke, never once did he threaten a cop with the knife or says the words I'm going to kill you or kill someone else. He did damage some cars and puncture a tire on a police car and I get that makes him a threat. Had he raised the knife above his head and ran towards Van Dyke as Van Dyke initially claimed and the 3 other officers who are charged with conspiracy claimed. Then yes the 16 shots are justified.

Is he guilty of 1st degree murder, probably not. But he did say prior to shooting him. "we are going to have to shoot this guy". Do those words sway the jury to think it was pre-meditated? I wish there was audio of everything that night, would probably answer a lot of questions.
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Agreed 100%, 2-3 shots, he is dead and this isnt even news a week after it happened. His family would have sued and got paid.

Lot of you guys keep saying he was high on PCP. Thats unproven, yes he had small traces of PCP in his system but they cant pin point if it was that day or a week before. I get it that Van Dyke said his eyes were bulging out of his head and thats a sign of someone on PCP. But what else is he supposed to say, remember he was coached for a long time by his defense team. If he wasnt he would have never took the stand.

Imo and I have watched most of the trial, have seen the defenses hired video team's video. He never once turned towards Van Dyke, never once did he threaten a cop with the knife or says the words I'm going to kill you or kill someone else. He did damage some cars and puncture a tire on a police car and I get that makes him a threat. Had he raised the knife above his head and ran towards Van Dyke as Van Dyke initially claimed and the 3 other officers who are charged with conspiracy claimed. Then yes the 16 shots are justified.

Is he guilty of 1st degree murder, probably not. But he did say prior to shooting him. "we are going to have to shoot this guy". Do those words sway the jury to think it was pre-meditated? I wish there was audio of everything that night, would probably answer a lot of questions.
Serious question, you've got a gun. A guy that is walking around in the open brandishing a lethal weapon, damaging vehicles, scaring people, appears to be on drugs, but, let us say he is on drugs, and is NOT listening to instruction to stop. He starts to get closer and closer to you and eventually his body turns to face you and you know he can be within range to stab/slice and even kill you in less than two seconds. What do you do?
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Serious question, you've got a gun. A guy that is walking around in the open brandishing a lethal weapon, damaging vehicles, scaring people, appears to be on drugs, but, let us say he is on drugs, and is NOT listening to instruction to stop. He starts to get closer and closer to you and eventually his body turns to face you and you know he can be within range to stab/slice and even kill you in less than two seconds. What do you do?
i know its not directed towards me, but everyone will chime in here. increase distance, slide the safety off and take center mass aim
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i know its not directed towards me, but everyone will chime in here. increase distance, slide the safety off and take center mass aim
Actually pull the trigger, too?

Now, let's say it is the same scenario as the Officer. You've got a vehicle right behind you and retreat really isn't an option unless you turn your back on the suspect to try and make a run for it.
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Serious question, you've got a gun. A guy that is walking around in the open brandishing a lethal weapon, damaging vehicles, scaring people, appears to be on drugs, but, let us say he is on drugs, and is NOT listening to instruction to stop. He starts to get closer and closer to you and eventually his body turns to face you and you know he can be within range to stab/slice and even kill you in less than two seconds. What do you do?
If I’m not a cop the first thing I do is try and beat cheeks (GTFO) because I have no business being involved in something like that. And even though I would if I had to, I never ever want to kill somebody
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If I’m not a cop the first thing I do is try and beat cheeks (GTFO) because I have no business being involved in something like that. And even though I would if I had to, I never ever want to kill somebody
Very fair answer.

Beat the cheeks, ROFL!

But, by doing that, you could be turning your back on a hostile and you never know what could happen, as these things happen in mere seconds.

Obviously, being a cop, you CANNOT retreat as your duty is to protect and serve and stop hostile threats as needed.

Me? I would draw, take aim and ask him to stop. If he approached me after repeated asks to stand down, I would have no choice but to protect myself from such a threat.

Again, this is only in the same scenario as the officer. Not where someone intentionally put themselves in harms way.
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