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Old 03-14-2017, 06:40 PM   #76
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How about forget the transponder and just register plate numbers, why don't they do that?
Cause then they can't sell shitty 1$ transponders for profit
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The Tollway system here is an absolute rip off. The trucking company I work for averages $90k per month in tolls. I've been doing close to $100 per day with my truck alone. I never really cared because I don't personally use it too much. But Christ it's expensive for semis.
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Damn! My former business with half a dozen trucks would have been costing me a mint. $100 per day is insane.
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Absolutely this

if anyone really thinks that eternal tolling is necessary in order to have interstates, you are brainwashed. Indiana may not be the best but we have i65 and 80/94 spanning the state, both freeways, and despite having a max gross wgt almost 2x higher than Illinois toll roads they are still well maintained without a single toll

Toll revenue is just another tax. One that will continue to increase in one way or another (in this case: closing loopholes), and will never go away. The government will promote it as a job-creator and your only real option is to accept it or leave the state
To be fair though, aren't all the highways outside of the Chicago metropolitan area toll free? And then in that case, lets also be honest that Indiana has nothing that comes close to the Chicago metropolitan area. A better comparison would be that LA and liberal California are freeways.
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Thread title needs to be changed . I understand it now . They want every car registered with ipass to have a transponder . It kind of makes sense . It will probably stop most of the hassles of people calling and saying which car they had the single Ipass in or adding cars on certain days . Surprises me illinois and crook county didn't do this from the beginning , they are good at shafting people out of money ha .
Probably because it's not controlled by the state or cook county
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Why not make them all toll roads. Pay for the road you drive. Remove my portion of transportation $ to cover roads I don't drive and let me pay to ride the roads I do. Seems like a better idea.
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Why not make them all toll roads. Pay for the road you drive. Remove my portion of transportation $ to cover roads I don't drive and let me pay to ride the roads I do. Seems like a better idea.
You really believe that BS? You don't think high property taxes, high sales taxes, income taxes should cover that?

We already pay near the (if not the) highest overall taxes in the nation. Add the tolls as just one more ridiculous tax we have to pay in this cesspool of a state.

We don't need a damn toll authority. We need responsible fiscal management instead of cronyism and we'd have more than enough money to pay for quality roads without having to pay a couple bucks every time you get on the highway. IL does not have an income issue, it has a spending issue.
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The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that this is a money grab by the tollway.

Police and repo guys have cameras that can read plates and feed information back on the license plate telling them if the car is stolen or should be repo'd. That technology could be used with the V-Tolls to identify toll scofflaws, iPass users, etc. and automate the entire process. Seems pretty simple to me. Maybe I am missing something.
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The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that this is a money grab by the tollway.

Police and repo guys have cameras that can read plates and feed information back on the license plate telling them if the car is stolen or should be repo'd. That technology could be used with the V-Tolls to identify toll scofflaws, iPass users, etc. and automate the entire process. Seems pretty simple to me. Maybe I am missing something.
They already do this. Every camera in the ipass lanes pick up license plates, amount of cars and speed. They have been tested to 200mph+ and they are completely redundant with how many cameras there are so if one breaks, they don't miss anything.

This is 100% a cash grab just because. Fuck them.
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They already do this. Every camera in the ipass lanes pick up license plates, amount of cars and speed. They have been tested to 200mph+ and they are completely redundant with how many cameras there are so if one breaks, they don't miss anything.

This is 100% a cash grab just because. Fuck them.
So where is the $15M cost coming from? If it's automated, there really shouldn't be much cost to it. I took it that there was a human element reviewing these and that's where costs were coming from.
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So where is the $15M cost coming from? If it's automated, there really shouldn't be much cost to it. I took it that there was a human element reviewing these and that's where costs were coming from.
what $15M cost?
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what $15M cost?
"The fees could generate $15 million a year, finance chief Mike Colsh calculated, and is equivalent to the cost of cross-checking license plates and I-PASS accounts"

From the article and quoting the Tollway...
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"The fees could generate $15 million a year, finance chief Mike Colsh calculated, and is equivalent to the cost of cross-checking license plates and I-PASS accounts"

From the article and quoting the Tollway...
There is no way it is manually done. There is some automation involved.

Maybe its manually checked when bad weather or people block plates partially (purposely or accidentally). Then I could see some manual intervention.

but what about people out of state? Are they going to force them to buy a transponder? If I am forced to use a transponder....then why do they need my license plate anymore? (because the transponders don't always work...)
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C'mon guys, you're all wrong. IL is doing us a favor.

We should be paying them more for all of the good that they do.
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They're doing two things, both are money grabs. #1. it recovers all the $ lost to obstructed plates that pass through without transponders. #2. it recovers $ lost to WHO KNOWS how many cars that don't have transponders that will now need them. For example, I have 6 cars on my account and 1 transponder that I keep in my truck.

I guess IPass sold their 5 millionth transponder in 2014 since first starting in 1993, with 87% of vehicles using IPass on the IL highways today. So for conversation's sake, lets suggest that there are currently 5.5m transponders in use.

To get stats on how many plates are behind each account and how many transponders are issued, seeing as IPass has marketed for YEARS that you do not need a transponder in every car, its safe to assume most accounts would have stacked cars on their account. Even if you averaged that out to be 2/3 of accounts have 2 cars with just one transponder, that's an additional 3,630,000 transponders that could be sold instantly at $10 each.... raking in a glorious $36,300,000.

I'd go out on a limb and suggest that such a rule would actually require more than 3.6m transponders to be sold if all 87% of toll activity is IPass customers and no customers were lost to this rule.

This doesn't even go into how many dollars they're losing from plates being obstructed... but I'd be willing to bet that its an absolutely enormous amount of $.

According to their budget, almost 94% of that is from toll income. That equates to $1.297bn in collected tolls, or about 1.73bn tolls @ $.75 each. If you suggest that even 1% of plate reads are obstructed per year, that's a loss of nearly $13 million dollars.

Go right ahead and tell me how this isn't a money grab!
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1.3 BILLION IN REVENUE AND THEY WANT MORE MONEY FROM US!!!!!

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Guys, as the IL employees here have stated, the state is helping us and we should be grateful.

^^^ What I found/read the other day showed that IL sold over 25M Transponders to date.
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The Tollway system here is an absolute rip off. The trucking company I work for averages $90k per month in tolls. I've been doing close to $100 per day with my truck alone. I never really cared because I don't personally use it too much. But Christ it's expensive for semis.
And they've approved an increase for semi's too!
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I wanted to cry malarkey at the $15m/yr cost to reconcile missed IPass scans due to the automation available, but then I remembered it's probably a group of uneducated politician extended family members getting paid $250k+/yr to babysit character recognition and ticket printing software.
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I wanted to cry malarkey at the $15m/yr cost to reconcile missed IPass scans due to the automation available, but then I remembered it's probably a group of uneducated politician extended family members getting paid $250k+/yr to babysit character recognition and ticket printing software.
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If they clear 1.3bn, and 25% is what they keep in-house after "returning 75% of the $ to the roads" and they have 1500 employees, they could all make $216,000 / year.

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Looks like i'm going to apply at the tollway
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but what about people out of state? Are they going to force them to buy a transponder? If I am forced to use a transponder....then why do they need my license plate anymore? (because the transponders don't always work...)
There is always a cash lane, or pay online afterwards. you have 7 days to pay a missed toll, or something like that.
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They already do this. Every camera in the ipass lanes pick up license plates, amount of cars and speed. They have been tested to 200mph+ and they are completely redundant with how many cameras there are so if one breaks, they don't miss anything.



This is 100% a cash grab just because. Fuck them.


This and those cameras are state of the art too. Night, day, rain, snow, license plate covers etc do not affect them.

If they can perform flawlessly at 200 mph that's 300'feet per second. Basically a blur to catch.

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Sure they are not missing that many plates and revenue
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There is always a cash lane, or pay online afterwards. you have 7 days to pay a missed toll, or something like that.
But if I have a transponder and they have my plate but it doesn't detect my transponder, you'll be paying the full price automatically with no way to prove you had the transponder in the car. That's the problem, not "how do I pay for this if I don't have one".
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