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Old 04-14-2017, 09:41 PM   #51
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This seems like a situation where a drone would be a better option than an actual fighter. Just like the one that was "taken down" over Iran. In countries that are unaware of being surveilled, and have contested airspace, I think the drone is a better option. In places like Syria where there is possibility of intercept, but just need to fly a bit under the radar to survey and report, the F35/22 would probably be more ideal.
Drones are deff the future. Why risk a human life if it's not necessary?

AFAIK we don't have any supersonic drones yet. IMO the SR-71 was the best spy plane ever made, had speed and stealth.
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IMO the SR-71 was the best spy plane ever made, had speed and stealth.
Not so much stealth as speed. Literally, fuck you speed to run away from anything trying to catch it.
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All of you worried about China need to read Tom Clancy's "The Bear and the Dragon".

War with China would be a short affair as well, they have 1 poorly equipped formerly USSR aircraft carrier.
We have 10.
They have 10 nuclear submarines (6 attack, 4 missile), we have 75 (57 attack, 18 missile).

The list goes on and on...they won't risk an incredibly embarrassing open war with the US over NK being a belligerent stepchild.
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Yea, there was no stealth to the SR-71. there is an article out here on the intertubes somewhere about a mission over Libya where the Libyan's shot missiles at them, only for the pilots of the SR-71 to go WOT and just walk away from them.
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Not so much stealth as speed. Literally, fuck you speed to run away from anything trying to catch it.
I do believe to this day it is still the fastest plane ever made, only manned aircraft faster is the space shuttle. Missiles couldn't even catch the SR-71
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I remember watching a show about the SR-71 and they talked about it's stealthiness and how far ahead of it's time the design was. The stealth factor wasn't even part of the criteria and it just happened to be an unintentional bonus. They also said that America didn't have the necessary amount of titanium to build these planes, so we bought it from the Russians, our cold war advirsary. The CIA got involved and setup a bunch of fake companies that manufactured widgets so we could buy the titanium without the Russians getting suspicious on what it's real use was for.

Anyhow, check out the RCS compared to much smaller planes like the F-15 or F-16
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This pictures not totally accurate but I like it anyway. America rules the world and especially the oceans. However you like too look at it, America has more carriers than the rest of the world combined. And as Jon mentioned all US full size carriers are nuclear. China is almost finished with their second carrier which is basically a clone of their Soviet junk, Russia has proposed to build the worlds biggest carrier which would also be their first nuclear. Meanwhile America has just completed and begun trials of it's third generation of nuclear carriers...
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-nuclear-Trump

Well this complicates things. Now Putin's joined the party
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As long as war stays conventional again, nothing to concern ourselves over.
Russia's military is for the most part leftovers from the cold war.
Some aircraft are more modern but their numbers are significantly fewer than ours, let alone ours+allied forces. Plus their technology is far, far behind what we give our folks.

Liberals love to act like we are the 3rd world nation Obama tried to make us.
Our military is truly world class despite his absolute best attempts to marginalize and diminish it.

The world has not seen that dog let off the chain in 75+years.

In short, fuck those cocksuckers. Let them talk their shit. Our folks in uniform have a leadership chain that fully supports them, something they haven't enjoyed for 8+ years.

We're going to see some interesting stuff as the world order falls back into alignment with a strong US at the head of the table but nothing I'm overly worried about unless things go completely sideways.
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These assholes around the world have to be shitting themselves!

Thinking....Oh fuck, we better do something to act a little tough, but if the USA decides we crossed the line...They'll actually end our existence now!
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I do believe to this day it is still the fastest plane ever made, only manned aircraft faster is the space shuttle. Missiles couldn't even catch the SR-71
The X15 went higher and faster. Mach 6.7/50+miles up. It was rocket powered though so I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.
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As long as war stays conventional again, nothing to concern ourselves over.
Russia's military is for the most part leftovers from the cold war.
Some aircraft are more modern but their numbers are significantly fewer than ours, let alone ours+allied forces. Plus their technology is far, far behind what we give our folks.

Liberals love to act like we are the 3rd world nation Obama tried to make us.
Our military is truly world class despite his absolute best attempts to marginalize and diminish it.

The world has not seen that dog let off the chain in 75+years.

In short, fuck those cocksuckers. Let them talk their shit. Our folks in uniform have a leadership chain that fully supports them, something they haven't enjoyed for 8+ years.

We're going to see some interesting stuff as the world order falls back into alignment with a strong US at the head of the table but nothing I'm overly worried about unless things go completely sideways.
Nailed it nothing more to be said! I see this first hand. And thank god im going to washington dc to support Trump and not the wicked witch!! I hope to see President Trump a few times since i have a system in Mar A Lago ill be responsible for.

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The only other wild card people need to consider is EMP weapons. A huge military isn't worth shit if an EMP can disable it. I would hope the military planned for this with their equipment but our countries power grid is a different story.
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EMP, and kenetic weapons, and i strongly believe we have weaponized space with "satellites". Also think about the railguns our ships have now plus both ground and air based laser weaponry.

I stongly believe that if a World War broke out we would be using technology never seen or heard of before.
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I stongly believe that if a World War broke out we would be using technology never seen or heard of before.
We only know about the shit they show us.
I want to see the shit they don't want to show us. That's the stuff that'll make fatty patty from NK waddle right back into his cave.
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The only other wild card people need to consider is EMP weapons. A huge military isn't worth shit if an EMP can disable it. I would hope the military planned for this with their equipment but our countries power grid is a different story.
If the war reaches our shores it's been lost. That will never happen.
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As mentioned before until someome else owns the air and seas i wont worry about much.
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Meet the new MQ-25A Stingray.

Meet the MQ-25A Stingray ? the US's response to China's 'carrier killers' - Business Insider

The US Navy's aircraft carriers have long given tactical advantage for the US military with its ability to deploy and project power on any shore around the globe. But recently, several of US adversaries have built long-range ballistic missiles known as "carrier killers". The MQ-25A Stingray is the Navy's response to threats like China's "carrier killer".
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North Korean missile 'blows up' on test launch as Pence heads for South | Reuters

N. Korea missile launch blows up shortly after launch.

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Why aren't these things being shot down? Don't we have missile defense systems in both Japan and S. Korea? Best Korea wouldn't be able to learn much from the tests if their missiles were being annihilated after a few miles.


Actually, it looks like Russia should be shooting them down:



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Because we risk having the Chinese and/or Russians watching our capabilities and getting telemetry data and we really don't want that. There programs are still in their infancy and prefer it to stay that way.
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North Korean missile 'blows up' on test launch as Pence heads for South | Reuters

N. Korea missile launch blows up shortly after launch.

Who knows...

Maybe N.K. will nuke themselves. They're not very good at firing missiles.
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Anyome want to put an over or under on how many people fat man puts in front of the anti aircraft gun for this missile failure?

They cant launch a missile and this crazy nutjob wants to take on the US?
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I guarantee he had people killed for that failed test launch. Basically made him look like a total idiot to the world
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