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Old 12-22-2016, 11:41 AM   #26
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if i was younger and lookin' to get into a trade... id look into windmill/windfarm technician stuff.
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I would also advise against getting into this field. If he's looking for a good paying blue collar job I would go with a field that doesn't undergo so much change (lineman or plumber for example). There is a lot of needed reeducation in this field. Just as an example how in 40 years we've gone from carbs to feedback carbs, to EFI, to direct injection, in just fuel systems.

becoming a mechanic will kill his hobby too.

I can share my story, which is the only route I would ever suggest if he's dead set on this field. I went to UTI, did International truck program, worked at the dealer for a number of years (fucking sucked, I could write a book on that place), got absolutely every certification I could get (Cummins, Allison, Eaton, International, etc.) and with my own money got ASE's and EVT's (emergency vehicle technician certs) and went to work at a fleet. I am now making a very good wage and have a great low pressure work environment, and have a pension. I am very grateful and fortunate for where I am.

I would only recommend this route. I have friends still at the dealer and they are miserable. I also have friends that are car mechanics and its too competitive and harder to make money. I would only suggest getting into medium/heavy trucks. A lot of the older mechanics have no desire to learn the new technology, which created the opportunity to make myself an asset at the dealer.

money invested is 30 grand for school and 75 grand in tools. Countless hours of my own time to research and train myself on new tech. I have been wrenching for 11 years. took me 4 years to break 20 bucks an hour after school. I'd like to add that its hard work too, but you probably know that.

I could post so much more, but I don't want to high jack your thread into an autobiography.
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The great thing about getting certificates or an associates through a community college is that he could always specialize in some part of the field that isn't wrenching if he goes in and finds it's not his thing. College of Dupage has a great auto program and the option of going just for certificates or an associates. I don't know if it's still affordable, but it was when I went 12+ years ago. My path started at UTI, then COD and then a university, and I wish I would have done the auto stuff at COD so the credits were transferable to more schools.
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For comparison, my son is interested in a truck driving career. Neighbor across the street got free training from a trucking co. in exchange for giving them one year of his life. Now, he quit them and got hired for $50K a year at a local trucking firm. He's home most evenings.

$50K isn't bad for a non college educated, 2nd year employee.

I don't know what being a mechanic pays?
the truck driving lifestyle seems to take quite a toll though. plus i would fear this one being taken over by machines. where there's real money to be made in trucking is the logistics of making trucking more efficient.
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Learn how to work on electronics or go after and EE degree cleaner smaller work pay better and most people dont know what a fucking multimeter is used for...........

I learned the hard way started out as a grease monkey in the military then switched to electronics and radar menchanic.
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I would also advise against getting into this field. If he's looking for a good paying blue collar job I would go with a field that doesn't undergo so much change (lineman or plumber for example). There is a lot of needed reeducation in this field. Just as an example how in 40 years we've gone from carbs to feedback carbs, to EFI, to direct injection, in just fuel systems.

becoming a mechanic will kill his hobby too.

I can share my story, which is the only route I would ever suggest if he's dead set on this field. I went to UTI, did International truck program, worked at the dealer for a number of years (fucking sucked, I could write a book on that place), got absolutely every certification I could get (Cummins, Allison, Eaton, International, etc.) and with my own money got ASE's and EVT's (emergency vehicle technician certs) and went to work at a fleet. I am now making a very good wage and have a great low pressure work environment, and have a pension. I am very grateful and fortunate for where I am.

I would only recommend this route. I have friends still at the dealer and they are miserable. I also have friends that are car mechanics and its too competitive and harder to make money. I would only suggest getting into medium/heavy trucks. A lot of the older mechanics have no desire to learn the new technology, which created the opportunity to make myself an asset at the dealer.

money invested is 30 grand for school and 75 grand in tools. Countless hours of my own time to research and train myself on new tech. I have been wrenching for 11 years. took me 4 years to break 20 bucks an hour after school. I'd like to add that its hard work too, but you probably know that.

I could post so much more, but I don't want to high jack your thread into an autobiography.
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I was kinda in this same position when I was finishing high school. I loved working on my own cars and friends cars, but ultimately couldn't see myself working on people's junk box daily drivers for the rest of my life. I then decided I would like to pursue a career that would allow me to be technical and sometimes turn wrenches, but not every day, 40+ hours per week. I turned towards mechanical engineering and went to school for that.

Is he a decent student? Does he do well in math and science classes? With an engineering degree, he can do all kids of things from testing, design, development, current product support, etc. The automakers and automotive suppliers are always hiring and they love gearheads.

For the first 2 years outside of college, I traveled all over North America as a field engineer. I visited dealers who were having trouble with difficult repairs or diagnostic issues. I got to turn wrenches a little bit, but ultimately I was there to troubleshoot and problem solve while I had a dealer tech turning the wrenches. It was a fun and rewarding gig.

If he's 100% set on being a technician, i would lean towards diesel. From my experience and the little research I've done, a diesel tech would probably have an easier time making a good salary, right out of school.
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Get into the forklift industry. Entry level techs make low 50's and can go up to the 80's... plus you get a company van, paid training, etc.. 40+ hours a week M-F.

Plus there's lots of room to grow with advancement opportunities depending on which company you go with along with being able to transfer to another state.
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I would suggest a building trade. Have him call around different unions and see what they require to become an apprentice.
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Oh boy where to begin.....

It's not a bad trade to get in at all and it's pretty easy to make fantastic money as long as you aren't a complete moron and if you have a good work ethic. But it is stressful and sometimes it does suck, not going to lie. The key in a dealership is getting good at something that nobody else wants to do (transmissions, rebuilding diffs, hybrid/EV stuff) and you will have a never ending workflow.
I think the bad reputation dealers have from employees comes mostly because a great majority of mechanics (at least the ones in the business for a long time) are not "smart" people and many come from a lower socioeconomic class, so their attitudes reflect that about the bosses and about their pay plans. Everybody that is super successful in the business that I know are smarter guys that don't let the system push them around and make themselves indispensable.

As far as training goes I would of course avoid the large for-profit schools at all costs. Any special programs they claim to offer that get you a "back door" into a dealer or company are either bullshit or something that a dealer or company could send you to after they hire you if they were so inclined. Personally I went to a community college program and they teach the exact same shit as something like UTI for 1/6 the cost.

Bottom line, it's impossible to tell somebody if it's a good idea or not without knowing them and working with them. It can be lucrative or it can be a bust, it all comes down to skill and the willingness to work, also a little bit of luck. But I will say the industry is in desperate need of skilled workers and dealers want go getters, not people who get a job and wait around till they hopefully get promoted. I've had young quick lube guys on their down time come over and give me a hand holding this or lifting that and after a while the managers pick up on that and eventually those guys get promoted to semi skilled or apprentice tech status, meanwhile the guy who says "I don't get paid to do that" when I ask for help and then goes back to texting on his phone is sitting there wondering why he's been a lube tech for 4 years. I've seen it several times.
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I've been a wrench for 10 years at an indie shop. while i still enjoy what i do and make decent money doing it, i will be looking into another field soon. i don't feel like busting my ass bent over a car for the rest of my life as a profession anyway. i'll stick to working on cars/bikes as a hobby
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Oh boy where to begin.....

It's not a bad trade to get in at all and it's pretty easy to make fantastic money as long as you aren't a complete moron and if you have a good work ethic. But it is stressful and sometimes it does suck, not going to lie. The key in a dealership is getting good at something that nobody else wants to do (transmissions, rebuilding diffs, hybrid/EV stuff) and you will have a never ending workflow.
I think the bad reputation dealers have from employees comes mostly because a great majority of mechanics (at least the ones in the business for a long time) are not "smart" people and many come from a lower socioeconomic class, so their attitudes reflect that about the bosses and about their pay plans. Everybody that is super successful in the business that I know are smarter guys that don't let the system push them around and make themselves indispensable.

As far as training goes I would of course avoid the large for-profit schools at all costs. Any special programs they claim to offer that get you a "back door" into a dealer or company are either bullshit or something that a dealer or company could send you to after they hire you if they were so inclined. Personally I went to a community college program and they teach the exact same shit as something like UTI for 1/6 the cost.

Bottom line, it's impossible to tell somebody if it's a good idea or not without knowing them and working with them. It can be lucrative or it can be a bust, it all comes down to skill and the willingness to work, also a little bit of luck. But I will say the industry is in desperate need of skilled workers and dealers want go getters, not people who get a job and wait around till they hopefully get promoted. I've had young quick lube guys on their down time come over and give me a hand holding this or lifting that and after a while the managers pick up on that and eventually those guys get promoted to semi skilled or apprentice tech status, meanwhile the guy who says "I don't get paid to do that" when I ask for help and then goes back to texting on his phone is sitting there wondering why he's been a lube tech for 4 years. I've seen it several times.
This is all around good feedback, thanks!
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Are there any fields that mechanics translates to easily?
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He's actually considering concrete work as well. But I'll be damned if concrete doesn't sound even more physically demanding than being a mechanic.
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Oh and as far as salary, obviously I can only tell you my experience but starting out as a lube guy or semi skilled, you usually get straight hourly of 10-18 an hour depending on what you're doing. An apprentice will usually have some type of tier pay program based on their booked hours I.e. 20/hr for 20 hours booked, 24/hr for 30 booked, 28/hr for 40 booked.... etc. and finally journeymen mechanics usually make around 32-35 an hour with some bonuses on top of that if you book over 40 or 50. It's pretty easy to make 70-80k a year but there are 2 guys at my shop that easily make well over 100k, granted they are like gods gift to the wrench but it is entirely possible.
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do those 100k guys just turn rotors and just do tune ups all day? that was my experience with journeyman at the dealer. get 15 tickets a day for bitch work
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also, my gfs stepdad who is a GM world class tech had jumped from 7 dealers in the last 10 years. Dealing with that exact shit. Then he gets stuck with the 2nd and 3rd time comeback vehicles and gets shit for time at the end of it... meanwhile the senior guys making more than him are doing brakes and shit
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He's actually considering concrete work as well. But I'll be damned if concrete doesn't sound even more physically demanding than being a mechanic.

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not exactly. but getting good at computer and electrical diagnostics and taking things apart/repairing different components on a car can transfer to different fields
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Have him do concrete work. I recently left the automotive life after 12 years. Never looked back and I'm actually happy for once. It's not like it used to be at all. Really ruined the hobby to be honest.

If he can get into the union doing concrete, he will be set for life. I'm a union bricklayer and the journeyman pay scale is $72 an hour including benefits. ($45/hr paycheck). Pension, unbeatable health insurance and a big fat annuity check when I retire. Not sure why I didn't do this years ago
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Lol no, one guy does trans work and the other guy will just work on any old shitbox you can get into his stall and they're both fast as shit without comebacks. Hell, if I could do nothing but brakes all day I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.
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Have him do concrete work. I recently left the automotive life after 12 years. Never looked back and I'm actually happy for once. It's not like it used to be at all. Really ruined the hobby to be honest.

If he can get into the union doing concrete, he will be set for life. I'm a union bricklayer and the journeyman pay scale is $72 an hour including benefits. ($45/hr paycheck). Pension, unbeatable health insurance and a big fat annuity check when I retire. Not sure why I didn't do this years ago
This assumes the pension checks are around when you retire. Chances are IL goes belly up well before then and can't pay their portion anyway.

I'm educating myself on the county budget out here as well as the school district's budget and a massive majority of their outstanding debt (like 65%+) is pension debt that appears impossible that the state could cover their portion of that number.

Anyway, I digress. Saving for your own retirement in a private system is much more likely to yield a retirement date if you're able to commit to it.
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