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Old 10-04-2018, 02:01 PM   #15251
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And lastly Heitkamp is danger close to losing her seat. If she did indeed vote no I bet shes done and will lose her seat.




Looks like shes a definite NO for her vote, and reading shes behind almost 12 points in some polls...


I know some of you hate polls but just saying....


Reading that the surge in the Republican polls has been huge since this SCOTUS stuff started and all their numbers are up...


I almost want to see a huge red wave just to see how bad people freak out.
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Falsely accuse someone and immediately jump on the #believeallwomen bandwagon?

Your actions have consequences. Good job.
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Agreed in it being a broad statement, it was intentional. My point being the irony in trying to push through a supreme court nominee by using the exact tactics so many want out of Washington, the reality of which is beside the point, is hypocritical.

Why the rush to get him appointed if some senators are truly on the fence about his worthiness to sit on the highest court in our country?
Honest question. The other irony here is how the Republicans prevented a vote on Obama's supreme court nomination for how long?
And now all of a sudden there is an impending rush to get the appointment made on not the first, but the second seat on the court now that the cards are stacked in their favor. How convenient.

Are you 12 years old??? Do you ever read our history, do you even follow politics??
The Conservatives blocked obama's 3rd pick because big mouth biden said that's how it should be.
Of course he only meant when a Conservative President has a liberal majority Senate.
He didn't mean when a liberal President had a Conservative Senate majority.
In that case he wants the Conservatives to just automatically approve who ever the liberal picks!!!!

What kind of fool thinks the biden rule only applies when the liberals have the advantage!!!
More & more clueless fool excuses.
You clueless liberals think all of us are as stupid as your voters!!!
Just because your voters are idiotic enough to vote for "THE" most corrupt criminal in American Presidential history.
Doesn't mean we can't see stall tactics, despicable attacks, we can't see the hypocrisy of it's fine for letting rapist bill off the hook,
knowing about all the proof against him, but Judge Kavanaugh must have his life destroyed, because of a claim that has zero proof!!!!


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What happens when it's another group acting like this and you don't agree with the end that the means justify? And who decides what ends are justified?

Mike, this is a case of the deep swamp vs. the deep swamp. One side or the other will win. I will take the side that is working towards what I think is a good thing rather than the side that wants nothing to happen for years and is willing to destroy a man and his family to attain this. Both sides may use bad tactics but pushing the swing Senators to vote for Kavanaugh is by far the lesser evil.
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The part I hate about politics is now there are a bunch of people on social media showing their donations to Heitkamp even though none of them live in North Dakota where their population was overwhelmingly in support of Kavanaugh...


What happened to doing what reflected the views of your constituents being the best thing to do? MEH.
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Looks like shes a definite NO for her vote, and reading shes behind almost 12 points in some polls...


I know some of you hate polls but just saying....


Reading that the surge in the Republican polls has been huge since this SCOTUS stuff started and all their numbers are up...


I almost want to see a huge red wave just to see how bad people freak out.
Yeah, I saw that 12 points, too. IF accurate, that's a big lead. She'll vote no so she gets a job after she loses.

Remember Trump's election night? I'm hoping for a smaller version of that. Kick out a few more deep staters and replace them with, hopefully, new ideas and better ways of running the government.

One piece at a time.
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Both sides may use bad tactics but pushing the swing Senators to vote for Kavanaugh is by far the lesser evil.

Only one Democratic swing senator left, who knows how he will vote and if the remaining Republican "swing" people will vote yes or no.


I'm sure Pence will be in attendance to be the tie breaker just in case.


I don't know if we'll ever see another nominee get over 60 votes again unless one party has that many Senators.
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Yeah, no shit. Who would have ever thought religious right-style pearl clutching would be coming from the so called "free spirited" "open minded" leftists.
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Setting this one on a tee for @Chester Copperpot......





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What exactly do you perceive as "pushing through" about this situation? Extra time was requested to investigate the claims, that time was taken, nothing came of it, there is defined process for how these proceedings take place. Mr. Kavanaugh's name has been permitted to be drug through the dirt long enough at this point. What else might satiate the MSM or left on this topic?

When was the "tactic" of falsely claiming someone is a rapist by the right exactly? Since you're insinuating that is the case by virtue of using the term hypocritical. This, my friend, is not hypocritical nor a previously used tactic that we want out of Washington. This "tactic" is despicable and disgusting and should be prosecuted in my humble opinion.
The way Kavanaugh has been presumed guilty before an investigation was conducted is wrong. Agree on that. The investigation did happen but leaving out Kavanaugh and Ford from FBI interviews is where I meant rushing. This does not need to be dragged out indefinitely, but interviewing both of them through the FBI, which was intended to leave out political bias, who knows if that actually happened or not, would have cast less doubt on the report especially from the Democrats who are crying foul.

My use "tactics" and "hypocritical" were not in reference to making false accusations about anyone. That is obviously wrong. It was only in reference to the timeline of the appointments: one being held from vote and the other happening relatively quicker.
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Are you 12 years old??? Do you ever read our history, do you even follow politics??
The Conservatives blocked obama's 3rd pick because big mouth biden said that's how it should be.
Of course he only meant when a Conservative President has a liberal majority Senate.
He didn't mean when a liberal President had a Conservative Senate majority.
In that case he wants the Conservatives to just automatically approve who ever the liberal picks!!!!
That is my point. The hypocrisy coming from both sides.

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What kind of fool thinks the biden rule only applies when the liberals have the advantage!!!
More & more clueless fool excuses.
You clueless liberals think all of us are as stupid as your voters!!!
Just because your voters are idiotic enough to vote for "THE" most corrupt criminal in American Presidential history.
Doesn't mean we can't see stall tactics, despicable attacks, we can't see the hypocrisy of it's fine for letting rapist bill off the hook,
knowing about all the proof against him, but Judge Kavanaugh must have his life destroyed, because of a claim that has zero proof!!!!


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How many more examples of both sides being hypocrites do you need to provide before you realize I agree with you on that?
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The way Kavanaugh has been presumed guilty before an investigation was conducted is wrong. Agree on that. The investigation did happen but leaving out Kavanaugh and Ford from FBI interviews is where I meant rushing. This does not need to be dragged out indefinitely, but interviewing both of them through the FBI, which was intended to leave out political bias, who knows if that actually happened or not, would have cast less doubt on the report especially from the Democrats who are crying foul.

My use "tactics" and "hypocritical" were not in reference to making false accusations about anyone. That is obviously wrong. It was only in reference to the timeline of the appointments: one being held from vote and the other happening relatively quicker.
BRO. They testified LIVE in front of the entire country. What else do you need to hear for it not to be rushed?

Also, nevermind that the entirety of the report offers no corroboration...
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BRO. They testified LIVE in front of the entire country. What else do you need to hear for it not to be rushed?

Also, nevermind that the entirety of the report offers no corroboration...
The point of the FBI involvement was to provide unbiased investigation and questioning from the bureau and then provide their conclusions, one way or the other. Leaving Kavanaugh and Ford out of the FBI portion and solely relying on the agenda driven mess we all saw LIVE seems shortsighted. Maybe the FBI interviewing would have provided the same result we have with no corroboration, maybe they would have found out more (not saying they would have either). We will never know.
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I wonder which is held in higher regard legally....

FBI investigation

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Senate Committee

Neither renders a "verdict." Hmmm.
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The way Kavanaugh has been presumed guilty before an investigation was conducted is wrong. Agree on that. The investigation did happen but leaving out Kavanaugh and Ford from FBI interviews is where I meant rushing. This does not need to be dragged out indefinitely, but interviewing both of them through the FBI, which was intended to leave out political bias, who knows if that actually happened or not, would have cast less doubt on the report especially from the Democrats who are crying foul.

My use "tactics" and "hypocritical" were not in reference to making false accusations about anyone. That is obviously wrong. It was only in reference to the timeline of the appointments: one being held from vote and the other happening relatively quicker.
Ford would be INSANE to do an FBI interview. Kavanaugh would want her to do it. She has a history of being inconsistent, and two sworn statements that contradict one another means perjury which would work in his favor. The FBI outcry was a farce by the Democrats to begin with because the Senate has investigative powers and they both gave hours of testimony under oath. Just as if they were doing it for the FBI.

Kavanaugh would be smart enough to tell them to use his congressional testimony unless there were additional questions otherwise I'm taking the fifth.

DiFi/her office and Ford's handlers violated Ford a second time if she got violated the first time. She made this allegation at a time where the optics show she is trying to avoid him being nominated so that the Democrats can try to retake the senate or at the very least make sure he doesn't get on the court this session. Have you noticed who her attorneys are? What about the consistent theme in the 1300 written questions, days of testimony, over half a million documents provided and this allegation are? They to try and stall this out until after the election. To say there's "no reason" not to hold the vote is simply factually untrue.
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That's a great question, who really can say which one is held in higher regard. It all seems to be whichever is convenient for either side. Democrats were holding out hope the FBI would turn up more than it did, and Republicans seemed to be satisfied with what transpired and move forward with the vote.
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The point of the FBI involvement was to provide unbiased investigation and questioning from the bureau and then provide their conclusions, one way or the other. Leaving Kavanaugh and Ford out of the FBI portion and solely relying on the agenda driven mess we all saw LIVE seems shortsighted. Maybe the FBI interviewing would have provided the same result we have with no corroboration, maybe they would have found out more (not saying they would have either). We will never know.
I would actually argue that you DO want bias in this case rather than impartiality. Who's more motivated to prove their case on either side? The Senate has investigatory staff. There are interest groups out there that would love for Kavanaugh to be a notch in their belt. Don't you think that groups like Media Matters, The Women's March, pro gun control Bloomberg organizations etc. aren't trying to find anyone and everyone that has a speck of dirt on Kavanaugh right now? Don't you'd think we'd see that evidence if it was there and certainly if it was credible?

The FBI being unbiased is laughable as an aside for another post.

As another note, half a dozen of Kavanaugh's classmates appear to have responded in formal letters saying that The Devil's Triangle is a quarters game. Just like he testified to.
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I wonder which is held in higher regard legally....

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Neither renders a "verdict." Hmmm.
If you lie to either it's still perjury and still punishable with prison time.
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Folks. If Ford wanted JUSTICE here, she would have reported this to the cops already... but she hasn't. That's because JUSTICE has NOTHING to do with what's going on here...
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Ford would be INSANE to do an FBI interview. Kavanaugh would want her to do it. She has a history of being inconsistent, and two sworn statements that contradict one another means perjury which would work in his favor. The FBI outcry was a farce by the Democrats to begin with because the Senate has investigative powers and they both gave hours of testimony under oath. Just as if they were doing it for the FBI.

Kavanaugh would be smart enough to tell them to use his congressional testimony unless there were additional questions otherwise I'm taking the fifth.

DiFi/her office and Ford's handlers violated Ford a second time if she got violated the first time. She made this allegation at a time where the optics show she is trying to avoid him being nominated so that the Democrats can try to retake the senate or at the very least make sure he doesn't get on the court this session. Have you noticed who her attorneys are? What about the consistent theme in the 1300 written questions, days of testimony, over half a million documents provided and this allegation are? They to try and stall this out until after the election. To say there's "no reason" not to hold the vote is simply factually untrue.
From the Republican side, what better way to prove her claims are indeed false by having her trip up in the interview with the FBI. Also the obvious political backing for her and the timing of everything is to be subject to scrutiny as well.

The reasoning for the Democrats push for FBI involvement aside, why wouldn't you have included them in those interviews, that they pushed for, and then potentially have the same outcome reached? How could they cry foul at that point? That's what I've been trying to get it. Including them takes away a big rebuttal from the other side, so why not just do it?
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I would actually argue that you DO want bias in this case rather than impartiality. Who's more motivated to prove their case on either side? The Senate has investigatory staff. There are interest groups out there that would love for Kavanaugh to be a notch in their belt. Don't you think that groups like Media Matters, The Women's March, pro gun control Bloomberg organizations etc. aren't trying to find anyone and everyone that has a speck of dirt on Kavanaugh right now? Don't you'd think we'd see that evidence if it was there and certainly if it was credible?

The FBI being unbiased is laughable as an aside for another post.

As another note, half a dozen of Kavanaugh's classmates appear to have responded in formal letters saying that The Devil's Triangle is a quarters game. Just like he testified to.
Interesting point. Playing devils advocate though, the receiving end of those special interests groups claims and accusations would only call further scrutiny I feel. Just look at the state of the media in our country. Democrats decry any content, facts or scrutiny that oppose their views from any right leaning sources, Republicans do the same with more leftist sources and "fake news."

True impartiality is difficult and I agree with your comment on the FBI, however having facts and conclusions from a source thats supposed to be would draw less criticism from the losing side of said findings.
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Glad to see we’re still condoning “draining the swamp” from all the blackmail and shady political dealings.
I would be ashamed of any Senator that says they won't vote for him at this point just based on burden of proof.



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We're seeing the last gasps of a beaten DEM group. They have run out of delay tactics other than blowing up the Senate and I don't think they're quite ready to do that.

Anyone know who votes tomorrow on closing the questioning? Is it the full Senate or just a portion?
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