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Old 11-25-2015, 08:51 AM   #351
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:52 AM   #352
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HEY FOLKS. IT DIDN'T GO DOWN LAST NIGHT
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WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL TOXICOLOGY REPORT THOUGH... ITS NOT IN THAT DOCUMENT! Do you understand that?
Yes it is not in that document.

News outlets keep reporting that he was high on PCP based on the findings in the autopsy report. I am looking at the autopsy report and I see no mention or findings that he was high on PCP in the autopsy report.

So until I see a full toxicology report on the victim that suggests otherwise, I am going to view the statement that he was on PCP with great skepticism.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:55 AM   #354
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Jessie Jackson, Sharpton, Jerk Nutz Mayor, all need to go down to the protest and tell people to go home.

Cop is arrested, unfortunate incident, let's enjoy the holiday.

If they want to protest, then protest all the fucking black on black killing, rapes, drugs, molestations, kidnapping, lack of parenting, etc that occurs. At least that protest would have more teeth to it and hold each other accountable.
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I wish you didn't always speak from such a point of authority on topics you're not an authority on.


This is a HUGE pet peave of mine. My brother does it constantly, even on topics I or someone else knows more about, he will always insist to the death that he is right. We almost brawl over it regularly.
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so kid was high on pcp, yielding a knife while jogging in the middle of a street, was attempted to be stopped by numerous officers and clearly resisted a request to stop or drop the weapon... of course he was shot! maybe not worthy of 16 times... but still..
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This is a HUGE pet peave of mine. My brother does it constantly, even on topics I or someone else knows more about, he will always insist to the death that he is right. We almost brawl over it regularly.
Jim ( @greasy ) is like a brother to me, so I fully understand! I don't mean it in a bad way... just an observation I was surfacing.
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Old 11-25-2015, 09:12 AM   #358
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I get the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" aspect of this argument and I agree totally that this kid was being an absolute moron, but he deserved a tazing, not a full magazine. There is a line that is drawn for this sort of thing and the officer didn't just step over it, he leaped far over that line. End of story.
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Old 11-25-2015, 09:14 AM   #359
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I'm not claiming to be an expert. I took the media's word about him being high on PCP as truth, but now that the toxicology has been seen it raises questions.

Media outlets have been reporting that he was high on PCP based on the autopsy report. Unless there is an updated autopsy report then that would be an incorrect statement. I would love to see an up to date autopsy report with positive PCP results in it so we can put this baby to bed.

Until then I will question what the media reports on this aspect.
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I get the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" aspect of this argument and I agree totally that this kid was being an absolute moron, but he deserved a tazing, not a full magazine. There is a line that is drawn for this sort of thing and the officer didn't just step over it, he leaped far over that line. End of story.
But the play stupid games, win stupid prizes thing is a tired line...we have a legal system that is meant to be the judge of your actions, and doll out punishment. It's not the officers job to determine punishment, per se. If you are a danger to the cop or an immediate danger to other citizens, yes, deadly force is absolutely justified. I just did not see either of those things from that video.
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ok, if not on drugs.. what kind of person jogs down the street waving a knife around and ignoring requests from LEO's?






































a criminal does.
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Or someone who is mentally ill?
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I get the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" aspect of this argument and I agree totally that this kid was being an absolute moron, but he deserved a tazing, not a full magazine. There is a line that is drawn for this sort of thing and the officer didn't just step over it, he leaped far over that line. End of story.
He deserved proper parenting and, as needed, good old fashion ass whippings his whole life which most likely would have resulted in him not putting himself in that situation.

Instead his family is rewarded $5m for failing to raise him properly.
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But the play stupid games, win stupid prizes thing is a tired line...we have a legal system that is meant to be the judge of your actions, and doll out punishment. It's not the officers job to determine punishment, per se. If you are a danger to the cop or an immediate danger to other citizens, yes, deadly force is absolutely justified. I just did not see either of those things from that video.
I completely agree and we are on the same side here, however the separation is looking at this from a legal standpoint vs a ethical one. my comment about "stupid games" is the later of the two. Yes, he should know better from an ethical point of view, but from a legal point of view he was wronged by that officer.
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I completely agree and we are on the same side here, however the separation is looking at this from a legal standpoint vs a ethical one. my comment about "stupid games" is the later of the two. Yes, he should know better from an ethical point of view, but from a legal point of view he was wronged by that officer.
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Bottom line - rioting going on tonight or are folks going to start to enjoy the holidays?
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"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" applies I think. I don't feel that a shooting was justified whatsoever, but it was a bad combination of the kids poor choices and the cop who grossly overreacted.
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Bottom line - rioting going on tonight or are folks going to start to enjoy the holidays?
I'm guessing some shit will go down tonight with a lull during meal time tomorrow and pick back up after.
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It'll take a few days. Probably Saturday night by the time all the out of towner rioters work off the turkey coma and get to Chicago.
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This is so dumb to me.
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This also. Totally unnecessary.
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"PCP, or phencyclidine, is also known as "angel dust" and is usually smoked. At times, it can cause its user to become aggressive and combative. The drug can also cause drowsiness, increased pulse and respiratory rates, high blood pressure, convulsions and seizures."

"A toxicology report from just two weeks ago listed that the hallucinogenic drug had been found in the blood and urine of Laquan McDonald, 17."
Probably not "angel dust" as that shit hasnt been around in a long time. My guess would be he smoked a "wicky stick" which is also PCP. Its a joint or cigarette dipped in embalming fluid or formaldehyde. Tried it once when I was 16, wasnt a fun high, but does make you feel like your fucking superman. Watched my brother jump out of a car at 30mph, get up and act like nothing happened while he was fucked up on sticks. Wicky sticks are still around, and can be easily had.
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This also. Totally unnecessary.
There was quite a few instances of that last night, I don't know how the police kept their composure a few times... kudos to them on that one.

How will we know if something is a riot or just people trampling each other to save $25 off a TV at a department store?
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There was quite a few instances of that last night, I don't know how the police kept their composure a few times... kudos to them on that one.

How will we know if something is a riot or just people trampling each other to save $25 off a TV at a department store?
Im sure they were told to not fuck around.
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