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03-09-2011 08:24 PM
willizm Hah, I built a boss 302 and a 1M today. Both configurators are up for either car.

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03-09-2011 08:12 PM
jason05gt Ford has the build site up for the Boss:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/09/b...rator-is-live/

$42,990 isn't bad for the a Boss w/ Recaro & Torsen Package.
03-09-2011 08:00 PM
willizm
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Originally Posted by jason05gt View Post
AWD and a DSG transmission help the GTR. A 500 lbs lighter GTR would be significantly faster.
Very true, you could probably shave a fair amount of weight going rwd and manual trans, but I doubt it would be as fast around a track then.
03-09-2011 07:47 PM
KAR
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Because physics dictates otherwise. My friend has gone faster then vettes and Porsches in his stage 2 srt-4. He has half the hp and wrong wheel drive.
you obviously missed my point on that cause yes a 4300-4500 pound car is gonna do well making tight turns for auto-x. A small 2800 pound car that handles on rails from the factory should do as well if not better then these bigger cars in such tight turns. Obviously this impala isn't stock and also has motor work done so on a road course this 4300 pound car will hang if not beat the vette and Ferrari cause it has the horsepower AND handling to do so. According to some people here, a 4000+ vehicle can't handle that well.
03-09-2011 07:46 PM
jason05gt
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^for the most part you are right and I agree, but then you have cars like the GT-R that someone disobey the laws of physics. Technology can make up for some of that weight I suppose.
AWD and a DSG transmission help the GTR. A 500 lbs lighter GTR would be significantly faster.
03-09-2011 07:41 PM
willizm ^for the most part you are right and I agree, but then you have cars like the GT-R that someone disobey the laws of physics. Technology can make up for some of that weight I suppose.
03-09-2011 07:25 PM
jason05gt
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Obviusly a lighter car is better but the mustang is not light. Suspesnion and brakes are the key to getting a heavy car to go around a track. The mustang has both, the Camaro needs one. To compare the precision needed on an F1 car to a street car is rediculous.
You can throw all the suspension and brakes into a car, but the laws of physics don't change. The Camaro is a heavy car.
03-09-2011 07:24 PM
jason05gt
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But 3800# is rediculous? IMO I think anything under 4K is not bad this day and age.
Yes, it's a big car. The Mustang has grown heavy. My 05 weighed 3450 from the factory. I think the Boss 302 is right around 3,600 lbs.
03-09-2011 06:10 PM
ilikemtb999 Is that what a camaro as weighs? I have no idea. I was just stating that for what the boss is it's not bad at all. My shitbox economy car weighs almost 3100 lbs and has half that hp.
03-09-2011 06:06 PM
Lead Pipe
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3600 lbs isn't too bad really considering size, engine size, wheel size, full interior and street legal.
But 3800# is rediculous? IMO I think anything under 4K is not bad this day and age.
03-09-2011 05:58 PM
ilikemtb999
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Hey I was just proving a big car can handle when given the right supsension and tires. Yeah he might have more experience then those other two drivers but would that not be called a blowout compared to those people and there much more expensive cars? Who's to say those other people didn't have a lot of experience in there cars on that layout.
Because physics dictates otherwise. My friend has gone faster then vettes and Porsches in his stage 2 srt-4. He has half the hp and wrong wheel drive.
03-09-2011 05:55 PM
KAR
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Originally Posted by ilikeMTB999 View Post
Driver experience.
Hey I was just proving a big car can handle when given the right supsension and tires. Yeah he might have more experience then those other two drivers but would that not be called a blowout compared to those people and there much more expensive cars? Who's to say those other people didn't have a lot of experience in there cars on that layout.
03-09-2011 05:54 PM
ilikemtb999 3600 lbs isn't too bad really considering size, engine size, wheel size, full interior and street legal.
03-09-2011 05:52 PM
Lead Pipe
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Yeah because all of those F1 cars perform so much better when you add ballast to them.

Weight is the enemy when you are building a performance car.
Obviusly a lighter car is better but the mustang is not light. Suspesnion and brakes are the key to getting a heavy car to go around a track. The mustang has both, the Camaro needs one. To compare the precision needed on an F1 car to a street car is rediculous.
03-09-2011 05:49 PM
ilikemtb999 Driver experience.
03-09-2011 05:45 PM
KAR
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Compared to what? Other 4300# cars?
Here ya go, against a vette and Ferrari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJHB...e_gdata_player
03-09-2011 04:46 PM
Turk
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Originally Posted by KAR101 View Post
Ps big cars can handle if given the proper suspension and tires. I would know with my 4300# car.
Compared to what? Other 4300# cars?
03-09-2011 04:28 PM
jason05gt
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Impossible, you need a featherweight 3600# car to handle well.
Yeah because all of those F1 cars perform so much better when you add ballast to them.

Weight is the enemy when you are building a performance car.
03-09-2011 04:15 PM
Lead Pipe
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Ps big cars can handle if given the proper suspension and tires. I would know with my 4300# car.
Impossible, you need a featherweight 3600# car to handle well.
03-09-2011 10:57 AM
KAR Ps big cars can handle if given the proper suspension and tires. I would know with my 4300# car.
03-09-2011 10:57 AM
Yaj Yak
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But wouldn't it show tail lights to a new 5.0, or are they too magical to get beaten by anything? Oh and though I partially agree with your statement you should add "stock" to that. I think I know of a few new Camaros that might surprise you around here.
yep. magical like a unicorn.

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Originally Posted by ilikeMTB999 View Post
Doubtful.



GTP > new camaro

10 year old fwd pushrod engined v6. ftw.
03-09-2011 10:50 AM
KAR
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Originally Posted by Bru View Post
I don't understand how a car with an adjustable suspension will only be good at one track. The name commemorates an important win at Laguna Seca back in the day of Trans Am racing. I'm sure it will do just fine at other tracks with proper know-how and adjustability
This!!!!

Yes I am curious as well to see what it'll do at other tracks but wake the fuck up people. It has adjustable suspension for this reason of going to other tracks and for being driven on the street.
03-09-2011 10:21 AM
ilikemtb999 Doubtful.



GTP > new camaro
03-09-2011 10:14 AM
Lead Pipe
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my stock engined gtp would show tailights to a new camaro...
But wouldn't it show tail lights to a new 5.0, or are they too magical to get beaten by anything? Oh and though I partially agree with your statement you should add "stock" to that. I think I know of a few new Camaros that might surprise you around here.
03-09-2011 09:32 AM
Dasfinc Apparently its forbidden to try and play devils advocate...
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