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03-03-2019 09:22 PM
Mook What was I right about?
03-03-2019 09:16 PM
IDAFC21
03-03-2019 09:10 PM
Mr_Roboto
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Originally Posted by 95SC View Post
Supra gets standard automatic with torque converter not a DCT
Maybe that means Mook got it right?
03-03-2019 06:08 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK
02-26-2019 09:39 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK
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Originally Posted by dberz94 View Post
Did anyone else see this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jbyzmtgU_0
It shows that once the sub-frame was developed both parted ways.


Well itís still got a lot of BMW parts on it. Check my video I posted and youíll see a BMW muffler on it haha
02-26-2019 09:03 PM
dberz94 Did anyone else see this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jbyzmtgU_0
It shows that once the sub-frame was developed both parted ways.
02-26-2019 09:02 PM
95SC
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Originally Posted by Mr_Roboto View Post

Dual Clutch boxes are the way of the future. Toyota/BMW got that one right. I mean, the Supra was supposed to be a driver's car but it was also supposed to be extremely high tech too.
Supra gets standard automatic with torque converter not a DCT
02-26-2019 08:56 PM
Mr_Roboto
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Originally Posted by SHARKBITEATTACK View Post
Yea I think its a totally stupid idea, especially given the fact that there are so few 6 speed trans's out there that aren't blown. From my perspective tho, the best I6 that BMW makes is the one that goes in the M3/M4 (I think) and to my knowledge those cannot make 900hp or whatever on the stock internals like a 2JZ could. So if the Z4/Supra engine is already inferior to the M3 motor I can understand why the hardcoe supra folks are wanting the old school motor. 2jz is iron block too.

Personally I always thought it was dumb to strip off the amazingly engineered sequential twin turbo setup in favor of a giant single for anything less than a dedicated drag car. Not that I've ever owned or even ridden in one but I've always preferred quick spool and low end torque over big top end power.
From what I remember reading I thought they'd made some not insignificant changes to the MKV engine vs the BMW engine as-was such as a closed deck block. Hopefully they will take power better. In the interim I'm betting a lot of experimentation and a few kabooms.

In terms of the TT stuff, the down side was that they were supposedly hard on the second turbo (e.g. snapping shafts.) I could see better computers assisting "pre spool" helping with that potentially. I could see that being a big part, possibly clearances for twins and in the long term cost. It may also be that the area under the curve is enough that people don't care in a lot of situations. Car OEMs did a lot to get boost to come in quicker back in the day and made compromises to do it.

It's funny the JDM connection must have dried up. I thought my buddy got his for 1500 or so. Now they're holy fuck expensive like 7-10K on ebay.

Dual Clutch boxes are the way of the future. Toyota/BMW got that one right. I mean, the Supra was supposed to be a driver's car but it was also supposed to be extremely high tech too.
02-26-2019 04:25 PM
Mook CX Racing pulled the same shit (thats who I was referring to) and all the news sites didnt bother to fack check and ran with it.
02-26-2019 04:25 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK yea that is something I suspected, just a way to build followers with "fake news" (trump voice)

still they claim to have ordered one of the initial 1500 models for R&D
02-26-2019 04:23 PM
Mook I clicked on the link...all I saw was that they ordered one for R&D.

No one is making a kit for it right now....because no one has the car. Everyone is full of shit just to get clicks.
02-26-2019 04:23 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK scroll up a few posts
02-26-2019 04:21 PM
Mook Who is UltimaRaceWorks?
02-26-2019 04:19 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK I'd consider a supra if there was an option for this engine

or this one

02-26-2019 04:15 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK yea well no shit the pic is fake but is the UltimaRaceWorks plan just a fake "april fools Joke" as well??
02-26-2019 04:13 PM
Mook It was fake (not shocking). They stole some dudes rendering and then used it as if they were building a kit....they arent.
02-26-2019 04:11 PM
SHARKBITEATTACK
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Originally Posted by Mr_Roboto View Post
Gotta ask I know BMW powertrains have a rep and all that but would a 2JZ some 20 years later be all that much if any improvement to these? It's like someone buying an Catfish back in the day and jamming a gen 1 small block chevy in it, I know there were limitations but unless it was an all out drag car did they really gain anything?
Yea I think its a totally stupid idea, especially given the fact that there are so few 6 speed trans's out there that aren't blown. From my perspective tho, the best I6 that BMW makes is the one that goes in the M3/M4 (I think) and to my knowledge those cannot make 900hp or whatever on the stock internals like a 2JZ could. So if the Z4/Supra engine is already inferior to the M3 motor I can understand why the hardcoe supra folks are wanting the old school motor. 2jz is iron block too.

Personally I always thought it was dumb to strip off the amazingly engineered sequential twin turbo setup in favor of a giant single for anything less than a dedicated drag car. Not that I've ever owned or even ridden in one but I've always preferred quick spool and low end torque over big top end power.
02-26-2019 08:40 AM
Pressure Ratio The average buyer isn't going to buy a $50K Supra and spend another $20k+ putting a 2jz and 6 speed manual trans in it. People need to see what this engine can do with just tuning. Then bolt-ons. Then a turbo upgrade. The BMW turbo straight 6 is referred to as the 2jz jr. by many BMW owner for a reason. It is a pretty stout and capable motor. Within reason. Plenty of power to push that car around.

The Supra name just brought too much expectation to a car that was never going to be the last Supra. Toyota did not do what Nissan did when it came out with the replacement for the R34. Which is a shame.


I still think it should have been the Celica. The Celica was a strong rally car throughout the years. I believe the ST205 GT-Four was the fist car that had factory installed water spray bars for the intercooler and turbo anti-lag system. Neither were operational but easily made operational. The Celica in the USA is a "chicks car" for the most part. But in the rest of the world, it is a well know rally car. So this car could have been true to its roots and been a Celica. Then Toyota could develop a proper Supra replacement.



02-26-2019 07:18 AM
Mr_Roboto
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Originally Posted by SHARKBITEATTACK View Post
LMAO car not even out yet and 2JZ and manual swaps are already being talked about



https://www.facebook.com/UltimaRaceWorks/
Gotta ask I know BMW powertrains have a rep and all that but would a 2JZ some 20 years later be all that much if any improvement to these? It's like someone buying an Catfish back in the day and jamming a gen 1 small block chevy in it, I know there were limitations but unless it was an all out drag car did they really gain anything?
02-26-2019 04:46 AM
SHARKBITEATTACK
02-22-2019 09:28 AM
Kaeghl
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Originally Posted by SHARKBITEATTACK View Post
LMAO car not even out yet and 2JZ and manual swaps are already being talked about



https://www.facebook.com/UltimaRaceWorks/
yeah, they must read jalopnik too

https://jalopnik.com/what-it-would-t...-ma-1832173633
02-22-2019 01:48 AM
SHARKBITEATTACK LMAO car not even out yet and 2JZ and manual swaps are already being talked about

Quote:
As many know the 2020 Toyota A90 MKV Supra was unveiled last weekend at the Detroit Auto Show. Many were disappointed to find out that it is only to be offered in an automatic transmission platform. Since then we have taken it upon ourselves to pre-order one of the 1,500 available launch edition Supras to use for testing and development. Over the past week we have begun to engineer a complete, high quality, OEM like manual transmission swap kit. This will be available for purchase and installation mid summer 2019.
Stay tuned for more information and parts to be released such as exhaust systems, intakes, ducting, aero, and coming winter 2019 a complete 2JZ-GTE swap kit for the new A90 Supra ��.
https://www.facebook.com/UltimaRaceWorks/
02-21-2019 10:11 AM
Bru
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Originally Posted by torquelover View Post
Wireless Carplay is nice, might be the first OEM to have it. Just wondering why no wireless Android Auto?

That front overhang is a let down. Adds to the "looks like a shrunken car" look.
BMW has had wireless CarPlay for a few years now. Which is why it's in the Supra too.
02-21-2019 05:07 AM
torquelover
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Originally Posted by SHARKBITEATTACK View Post
vid from chicago auto show
https://youtu.be/PFxm88PPwv0
Wireless Carplay is nice, might be the first OEM to have it. Just wondering why no wireless Android Auto?

That front overhang is a let down. Adds to the "looks like a shrunken car" look.
02-21-2019 12:40 AM
SHARKBITEATTACK vid from chicago auto show
https://youtu.be/PFxm88PPwv0
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