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Today 05:25 PM
J-LO the wife saw the z4 this week, now she wants one
Today 11:53 AM
Bru
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Originally Posted by Pressure Ratio View Post
Either style dyno can be manipulated. So if someone wanted to inflate numbers they could.

Liverniis is a reputable shop. I don't see them messing with the numbers. They have nothing to gain by doing that. But I think something is fishy with the numbers.


I donít think theyíre being deceiving but if they run the car like a usual customer and donít do the time consuming coast down and loss calibrations specific to the car then itís not set up for max accuracy.
Today 10:49 AM
jason05gt
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Originally Posted by Pressure Ratio View Post
Either style dyno can be manipulated. So if someone wanted to inflate numbers they could.

Liverniis is a reputable shop. I don't see them messing with the numbers. They have nothing to gain by doing that. But I think something is fishy with the numbers.
How does the operator manipulate a dynojet beside STD or SAE? I've read and seen videos that Mustang dynos can be manipulated by the operator.
Today 10:38 AM
Pressure Ratio Also, 335 crank horse power and only a 10% driveline loss is 300 whp. Not enough for a 3500 pound car to go 113 mph in the quarter. So it is either super efficient or makes more power than advertised. Once production cars hit the track and dyno we will know what's up.
Today 10:27 AM
Pressure Ratio Either style dyno can be manipulated. So if someone wanted to inflate numbers they could.

Liverniis is a reputable shop. I don't see them messing with the numbers. They have nothing to gain by doing that. But I think something is fishy with the numbers.
Today 08:52 AM
jason05gt
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Originally Posted by Bru View Post
You know more than most that a single dyno test means shit. Calibration, coast down, weather correction are all things that can inflate the number. I had a car dynoíd for work and got crank numbers at the wheel, then went to Mustang and asked for clarification, and they said operator error, who then re-ran the test with parameters from Mustang and we got a normal 15 percent loss at the wheels.
True and Mustang dynos can be manipulated. I only trust Dynojet's as there seems to be less variation, but at the end of the day they are really a tuning tool and for bragging rights.
Today 08:27 AM
Bru
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Originally Posted by Pressure Ratio View Post
I don't know I trust the dyno numbers. Let's see what production cars end up putting down. That torque number is insanely high compared to the numbers Toyota claims at the crank.

And ya, just not into the look of the car. Not when being teased with the concept car that looked incredible. I'd have to say the BMW looks better. And I don't think the BMW is all that great either. It's less boy-racer at least.


You know more than most that a single dyno test means shit. Calibration, coast down, weather correction are all things that can inflate the number. I had a car dynoíd for work and got crank numbers at the wheel, then went to Mustang and asked for clarification, and they said operator error, who then re-ran the test with parameters from Mustang and we got a normal 15 percent loss at the wheels.
Yesterday 07:31 PM
Blood on Blood Junk
Yesterday 03:37 PM
N20GT Would i buy a bmw with a toyota badge or a better looking bmw with a bmw badge for damn near the same price. Omai such a tough decision
Yesterday 01:20 PM
Pressure Ratio I don't know I trust the dyno numbers. Let's see what production cars end up putting down. That torque number is insanely high compared to the numbers Toyota claims at the crank.

And ya, just not into the look of the car. Not when being teased with the concept car that looked incredible. I'd have to say the BMW looks better. And I don't think the BMW is all that great either. It's less boy-racer at least.
Yesterday 01:14 PM
Omicron
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Originally Posted by lastls1 View Post
Itís very hard to overcome a car that doesnít look good. Especially for how hyped this car was and how good itís past version was.
R35 GTR is example A here. Had that car merely been very good performance wise rather than the juggernaut it was it would have been scoffed at.
Yesterday 01:05 PM
Yaj Yak
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Originally Posted by Yaj Yak View Post
best option to me thus far regarding this and it's bmw cousin is to snag a CPO Z4 in 3 years for 24k with 32,000 miles on it some chick drove to tennis lessons and whole foods.



:yepppp:



Yesterday 01:03 PM
willizm
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Originally Posted by Mook View Post
I am happy to see the car is underrated, so I do take back SOME (not all) of my power gripes.
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't excuse the car for it's bigger flaws that's for sure but I'm glad it is in fact underrated. I'm still holding out that they will release a TRD version in a couple years with one of their own drivetrains but that is super wishful thinking and highly doubt it makes sense from a cost perspective.
Yesterday 12:59 PM
Mook I am happy to see the car is underrated, so I do take back SOME (not all) of my power gripes.
Yesterday 12:59 PM
lastls1 Itís very hard to overcome a car that doesnít look good. Especially for how hyped this car was and how good itís past version was.
Yesterday 12:58 PM
willizm Don't get me wrong, I agree it's very much still a body kitted BMW. That to me will always be the sticking point to this car, but power was always a sore spot for people comparing it to the output of the z4 which given the dyno probably means they are very much the same or similar output levels all together. I won't be selling my poopra any time soon I'll tell you that
Yesterday 12:55 PM
Mook The car could make 600hp (I mean it would help), but my stance has largely remained the same....even more after attending the auto show...I just dont think its a particularly great looking car in stock form.
Yesterday 12:54 PM
Yaj Yak i dont even think there's a good enough shaking my head gif i could find to convey my feelings.
Yesterday 12:52 PM
lastls1
2020 Toyota Supra - This is it?

The numbers for the engine isnít really the biggest deal. Yes some would agree it should be higher...... but for 60 grand it 100% needs to be higher given the way it looks.

The car looks like crap, itís a bmw rebadged with some body kit changes. Then they give it horsepower LS cars had in 2000. Itís the entire package thatís crap not just that one thing.

If it was simply horsepower it could easily be overlooked. The previous version was not powerful stock either, we are just used to seeing 1500hp as standard for supras. But 60k, and ugly car, and low horsepower = crap.
Yesterday 12:46 PM
willizm I'm surprised more people aren't commenting in here on the power numbers it put down on the dyno. Seems like so many people, including me, were bagging on the stated power numbers on this car compared to the z4. Seeing it grossly underrated I think helps create some buzz. Wonder if a tune and bolt ons would easily start seeing 450whp. Time will tell I suppose.
05-22-2019 08:49 AM
BS ISF Just like every other BMW they under rated it. That torque number is real nice!!
05-21-2019 01:59 PM
Intel So is this going to beat a minivan or no?
05-21-2019 01:45 PM
Yaj Yak that's a pretty neat torque number
05-21-2019 01:39 PM
Mook https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...yno-horsepower

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After lashing down Toyota’s new sports car, we discovered that, even with the power-sapping driveline losses of its transmission and rear axle, the Supra puts down 339 horsepower and 427 lb-ft of torque at the wheels. That’s slightly better than the 335 horses Toyota said the car would produce at the crank and a considerable jump from the 365 lb-ft the company promised. While modern drivetrains have become highly efficient at transferring power, the extra power that the Supra is putting to the ground helps explain its impressive accelerative ability.

For our test, we headed to Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. We strapped the Supra to the Dynojet all-wheel-drive dynamometer, as the car's stability systems only play nice when all four wheels are spinning. For this observation, we ran the test in the eight-speed automatic transmission's fifth-gear ratio of 1.32:1 to achieve a full sweep of the tachometer. We experimented with the 1.00:1 ratio of sixth gear but were unable to reach the engine's redline. The power output in sixth gear, however, matched our results of those in the higher gear.
05-16-2019 07:38 AM
bnr32 best part is most "lube techs" at a Toyota dealership can't even do an oil change on a Camry without fucking something up, this should be even better, and the regular techs even have problems with the FRS/86.
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