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10-09-2018 08:11 PM
guspech750 I must say when my Marauder was totaled by a drunk Geico policy holder. They came through with flying colors. I think they went a little above and beyond in compensating me.

I may even switch back to Geico.
10-09-2018 02:51 PM
jason05gt The funny thing is that 4 of the Top 6 Automobiles with the highest domestic content are foreign makes/models. Most cars in the US use a good percentage of non US sourced parts no matter if it's made by the UAW or not.

That being said, Mike K is spot on regarding questioning why people buy Cadillacs.
10-09-2018 02:06 PM
cmntmxr57
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Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
I'm not disputing that that's why people buy certain cars but I can't think of a single metric where this beats the Germans. The Germans tend to lease much better as well. It has no features the Germans don't have, it's more expensive and has less equipment, it has worse gas mileage, it doesn't feel nearly as premium inside and the list goes on. People have all sorts of different reasons for why they pick one car over another. Efficiency, interior quality, features, price point, value, etc. The XT5 beats the Germans on none of these metrics. You couldn't compare one of them where the XT5 would come out ahead. This has to be a case of the GM sedans where nobody actually buys them; they're just all sold as fleet vehicles.
I think that assertion is hard to quantify, at least not without sitting down, building out what I would want in each, then comparing and contrasting and what's more important as a key metric to the buyer.

As I did a quick search, The Cadillac's allow for greater mileage windows than the Audi, but require more cash at signing and were cheaper on the monthly payment. The Audi's require less at signing, but also have much less mileage window and were more expensive monthly.

At the end of the day, really a moot point to me as it's neither are on my radar to be quite honest and it seems as though Cadillac is selling them quite well as I see them all over the place and posted the YoY sales gains earlier.
10-09-2018 11:37 AM
syP <—— proud union worker. (All the pipe we bend says MADE IN CHINA).
10-09-2018 07:45 AM
Ryan02Stang
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Originally Posted by Yaj Yak View Post
won't buy oreo's
Won't even buy gym shoes other than made in the USA New Balance. And literally gets pissed at Oreo's.

@JeffsFRC can confirm this madness.
10-09-2018 07:43 AM
Yaj Yak won't buy oreo's
10-09-2018 07:41 AM
Ryan02Stang
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Originally Posted by bnr32 View Post
You asked who is buying an Xt5, and i told you who. I didn't say it was me, i'd never be in the market for a crossover I think they are useless.

But there is many people in the USA who only want USA Brand and made cars, and on top of that only want Union Built cars. Same reason you'll see most places buy 4 door F150s over Silverados, they don't want a Mexican made truck. Also the reason people that won't shop at Walmarts, won't patronized a business that uses Scab Labor, won't buy Oreo cookies, won't buy anything from hostess, i could keep going.

It has nothing to do with a Volkswagen being 400 dollars cheaper, people simply don't care about the brand or any of its models as they would rather buy American.
You just described a buddy of mine to a T. He is a union sheet metal worker.

Has a "Proud Union Home" sign in his front yard. Union brain wash is insane!
10-09-2018 06:53 AM
Yaj Yak
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Originally Posted by bnr32 View Post
You asked who is buying an Xt5, and i told you who. I didn't say it was me, i'd never be in the market for a crossover I think they are useless.

But there is many people in the USA who only want USA Brand and made cars, and on top of that only want Union Built cars. Same reason you'll see most places buy 4 door F150s over Silverados, they don't want a Mexican made truck. Also the reason people that won't shop at Walmarts, won't patronized a business that uses Scab Labor, won't buy Oreo cookies, won't buy anything from hostess, i could keep going.

It has nothing to do with a Volkswagen being 400 dollars cheaper, people simply don't care about the brand or any of its models as they would rather buy American.

so uh, you're just shootin' from the hip on this one then huh?
10-09-2018 06:30 AM
bnr32
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Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
So you'd pay more money for an objectively inferior product just to support your brethren?
You asked who is buying an Xt5, and i told you who. I didn't say it was me, i'd never be in the market for a crossover I think they are useless.

But there is many people in the USA who only want USA Brand and made cars, and on top of that only want Union Built cars. Same reason you'll see most places buy 4 door F150s over Silverados, they don't want a Mexican made truck. Also the reason people that won't shop at Walmarts, won't patronized a business that uses Scab Labor, won't buy Oreo cookies, won't buy anything from hostess, i could keep going.

It has nothing to do with a Volkswagen being 400 dollars cheaper, people simply don't care about the brand or any of its models as they would rather buy American.
10-09-2018 12:46 AM
Mike K
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Originally Posted by cmntmxr57 View Post
The problem is, most people (the general automotive consumer), aren't overly concerned about such detail about a vehicle.

- They want a Cadillac
- They want certain features
- They want it at a certain price point
- They most will most likely lease it which means they're simply renting it for a couple years anyway, so they don't get too "IN" to the vehicle itself


What they aren't;
- They aren't concerned as much about driving dynamics or track worthiness
- They aren't as much concerned about quality of interior bits (as long as it's nice, it'll do)


It's an upscale vehicle, has the features they want, is an CUV, and they'll be on to the next vehicle in the next 3 years anyway.
I'm not disputing that that's why people buy certain cars but I can't think of a single metric where this beats the Germans. The Germans tend to lease much better as well. It has no features the Germans don't have, it's more expensive and has less equipment, it has worse gas mileage, it doesn't feel nearly as premium inside and the list goes on. People have all sorts of different reasons for why they pick one car over another. Efficiency, interior quality, features, price point, value, etc. The XT5 beats the Germans on none of these metrics. You couldn't compare one of them where the XT5 would come out ahead. This has to be a case of the GM sedans where nobody actually buys them; they're just all sold as fleet vehicles.
10-08-2018 04:54 PM
N20GT The truecar price of an xt5 is only $4.5k (~9%) below sticker, so people are still paying a decent dollar for these heaps too.
10-08-2018 03:26 PM
cmntmxr57 Maybe a better wording would be CARE, not tell.

My Wife can tell which handles, accelerates and brakes better too. Does she care though? Not really. To her, vehicles are nothing more than an appliance to go from point A to point b.
10-08-2018 02:58 PM
jason05gt
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Originally Posted by Ryan02Stang View Post

This...and 90% of people probably could barely tell the difference in driving dynamics between a Porsche 911 GT3, a Camaro ZL1, a Ford Expedition, a Honda Ridgeline, and a Volvo V60.
I'd take that bet any day of the week. Even my wife would be able to tell the difference between a GT3 and Volvo. While they might not be able to articulate the difference like us enthusiasts, it's pretty easy to feel which one accelerates faster and has firmer steering.
10-08-2018 02:42 PM
cmntmxr57 Just looking at GM's Q3 2018 deliveries just recently released;

XT5 deliveries for the Quarter were 4,101, which is up 15.4% from 3,553 in Q3 2017.
XT5 deliveries for the Year to Date were 12,664, up 15.9% from 10,923 YTD in 2017.

My guess is attractive lease options and of course fleet sales, even though GM is trying to wean themselves off of that.
10-08-2018 11:38 AM
RICH17 I had a SRX as a loaner. Did good burnouts.
10-08-2018 11:27 AM
Mook Who is Geigo?
10-08-2018 11:23 AM
Ryan02Stang
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Originally Posted by cmntmxr57 View Post
The problem is, most people (the general automotive consumer), aren't overly concerned about such detail about a vehicle.

- They want a Cadillac
- They want certain features
- They want it at a certain price point
- They most will most likely lease it which means they're simply renting it for a couple years anyway, so they don't get too "IN" to the vehicle itself


What they aren't;
- They aren't concerned as much about driving dynamics or track worthiness
- They aren't as much concerned about quality of interior bits (as long as it's nice, it'll do)


It's an upscale vehicle, has the features they want, is an CUV, and they'll be on to the next vehicle in the next 3 years anyway.
Exactly this. Vehicle purchases are one of the most (if not THE most) subjective purchases people make.

This...and 90% of people probably could barely tell the difference in driving dynamics between a Porsche 911 GT3, a Camaro ZL1, a Ford Expedition, a Honda Ridgeline, and a Volvo V60.
10-08-2018 10:59 AM
cmntmxr57 The problem is, most people (the general automotive consumer), aren't overly concerned about such detail about a vehicle.

- They want a Cadillac
- They want certain features
- They want it at a certain price point
- They most will most likely lease it which means they're simply renting it for a couple years anyway, so they don't get too "IN" to the vehicle itself


What they aren't;
- They aren't concerned as much about driving dynamics or track worthiness
- They aren't as much concerned about quality of interior bits (as long as it's nice, it'll do)


It's an upscale vehicle, has the features they want, is an CUV, and they'll be on to the next vehicle in the next 3 years anyway.
10-08-2018 10:48 AM
Ryan02Stang
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Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
So you'd pay more money for an objectively inferior product just to support your brethren?
Are we pretending people make automobile purchases objectively?
10-08-2018 10:38 AM
Mike K
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Originally Posted by bnr32 View Post
People that are buying an XT5 aren't looking at volkswagen made in mexico, they are wanting a car made in the US by Union workers. Labor supports Labor.
So you'd pay more money for an objectively inferior product just to support your brethren?
10-08-2018 09:17 AM
1quick Glad gieco took care of you, they boned the shit out of me when I had them and smashed up my last mustang, it took 2 months to pay out only because I called several times a week and bitched at the adjuster, I was using a small shop that couldn’t afford to front the money for the job so I waited 3 months to get my car back, dropped them as soon as the work was done, only caddy I’d buy is the new v
10-08-2018 09:11 AM
Yaj Yak rental car companies will buy whatever from whoever

my buddy has been destroying a loaded new expedition for the past month or so...
10-08-2018 09:10 AM
boostedguy05
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Originally Posted by Mike K View Post

Who's buying the XT5?
rental car companies, to make you feel special your in a caddy, because the average person wouldn't know any of what you just typed out. also because they buy in bulk, are probably paying maybe 30k each if that.
10-08-2018 08:42 AM
Yaj Yak those are bigger though?
10-08-2018 08:41 AM
98GrandPrixIraqVet
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Originally Posted by Ryan02Stang View Post
The real question is...what dudes are driving these girl sized SUV's?
Same ones that drive an Acadia or Traverse but think they are baller because Cadillac grill.
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