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04-27-2016 08:55 AM
blueoval4life
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Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
I know nothing about the E55. I know that Mercedes of that vintage were generally shit with respect to interior quality and the tech in them is straight out of the 90's. If those things matter to you, you might want to research them a little more.

As far as M5's go, don't do it. Back when I bought my car it had a list of common problems. There was the VANOS issues, the hydraulic SMG pump that cost thousands to replace and was basically guaranteed to fail, the several thousand dollar clutch jobs, the $500 brake rotors etc. I'd love to report that things have gotten better on that front.

Unfortunately they've gotten worse. Apparently the S85 has developed something of a rod bearing problem. If that's anything like we saw the on the V6 Taurus SHOs what that means is that some people will get lucky and just be able to replace their bearings with no damage to the crank. Other's will hear noise and that will be it. I can cope with SMG pumps and expensive clutches but living in fear that my exotic V10 engine is going to potentially grenade itself? No. Fuck that. It's not worth it.

Right now the cheapest S85 that I can find is $7000. Do the math.

Really the only argument that can be made for the V10 M5 over a tuned 535, other than owning a 4 door exotic car, is that it's faster on a road course and it is designed to put up with sustained abuse (a track session for instance) whereas the 535 isn't. So if you're road racing, by all means get the M5. If you're not road racing, and I say this as someone that absolutely loves the car, don't touch one. Even if you're replacing injectors on your 535 every year it won't be a fraction of the potential cost of ownership of an S85 M5.

Remember the golden rule when it comes to used German cars: Just because you can afford to buy it doesn't mean you can afford to own it. The forums are filled with "what have I gotten myself into?" posts and people that would come and make posts trying to determine the true cost of ownership were greeted with responses along the lines of "if you've got to ask you probably can't afford it". And they weren't saying that to be dicks. They were saying that because you could easily grab a 2007 for $20,000 - $25,000 and put 50% of your purchase price to make it right and keep it going. You know what I put on my 535 in almost 3 years of ownership? 6 injectors and spark plugs.

For everything else, read my article from Jalopnik. I still get hate mail for this. People send me passionate messages nearly 2 years later personally insulting me for daring to question the M5's greatness. Of course they don't actually dispute anything in the article.

10 Reasons The E60 535i Is Better Than The M5

Sold my M5 for all the above reasons. Also picked up a 535xi wagon for all the above reasons.
04-27-2016 02:36 AM
Mike K I know nothing about the E55. I know that Mercedes of that vintage were generally shit with respect to interior quality and the tech in them is straight out of the 90's. If those things matter to you, you might want to research them a little more.

As far as M5's go, don't do it. Back when I bought my car it had a list of common problems. There was the VANOS issues, the hydraulic SMG pump that cost thousands to replace and was basically guaranteed to fail, the several thousand dollar clutch jobs, the $500 brake rotors etc. I'd love to report that things have gotten better on that front.

Unfortunately they've gotten worse. Apparently the S85 has developed something of a rod bearing problem. If that's anything like we saw the on the V6 Taurus SHOs what that means is that some people will get lucky and just be able to replace their bearings with no damage to the crank. Other's will hear noise and that will be it. I can cope with SMG pumps and expensive clutches but living in fear that my exotic V10 engine is going to potentially grenade itself? No. Fuck that. It's not worth it.

Right now the cheapest S85 that I can find is $7000. Do the math.

Really the only argument that can be made for the V10 M5 over a tuned 535, other than owning a 4 door exotic car, is that it's faster on a road course and it is designed to put up with sustained abuse (a track session for instance) whereas the 535 isn't. So if you're road racing, by all means get the M5. If you're not road racing, and I say this as someone that absolutely loves the car, don't touch one. Even if you're replacing injectors on your 535 every year it won't be a fraction of the potential cost of ownership of an S85 M5.

Remember the golden rule when it comes to used German cars: Just because you can afford to buy it doesn't mean you can afford to own it. The forums are filled with "what have I gotten myself into?" posts and people that would come and make posts trying to determine the true cost of ownership were greeted with responses along the lines of "if you've got to ask you probably can't afford it". And they weren't saying that to be dicks. They were saying that because you could easily grab a 2007 for $20,000 - $25,000 and put 50% of your purchase price to make it right and keep it going. You know what I put on my 535 in almost 3 years of ownership? 6 injectors and spark plugs.

For everything else, read my article from Jalopnik. I still get hate mail for this. People send me passionate messages nearly 2 years later personally insulting me for daring to question the M5's greatness. Of course they don't actually dispute anything in the article.

10 Reasons The E60 535i Is Better Than The M5
04-27-2016 02:13 AM
01GTvert
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Originally Posted by boostedguy05 View Post
E63's arnt too far out on that price range either.
head bolt problems
04-26-2016 02:48 PM
boostedguy05 E63's arnt too far out on that price range either.
04-26-2016 01:39 PM
GLIGTO I've always HIGHLY coveted the E55K cars. The maintenance, however, makes me want to wait for a depreciated Chevy SS, tho lol.
04-25-2016 07:26 PM
98GrandPrixIraqVet that burgandy one is rare as fuck as one other guy said hes never seen one that color either. everyone ive seen is black or silver.

id certianly rock a dark blue one or that burgandy one.

ive only seen 2 dark blue ones as well.
04-25-2016 02:29 AM
Z28Camaro I was going to say no as well but that is a really fantastic example if you like the color.

I had a '08 E63 with the performance package for my wife for a couple years. White w/pano roof and tan interior. Really classy car and sad to see it go.
04-25-2016 02:23 AM
01GTvert
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Originally Posted by 98GrandPrixIraqVet View Post
want sooo bad must resist urge to talk to bank........
Im a huge fan of the E55K. Don't know much about Bimmers. I currently have a C32AMG as my dd. It's the V6 version of the 55 and a little smaller. I've been researching the 55K cars for a while now and pretty much know what breaks and when.

The big points have already been made. People on a budget who don't do their own work will get boned hard owning any AMG.

If im able to keep driving a sedan my next car will be a 55k. I'd really like to own a mid 11sec top shelf sleeper for the cost of a bare bones econobox. Other than the S/C bearing and the airmatic struts these cars are rock solid. There's currently a recall that replacees the entire fuel tank/pump assembly that dealers are honoring w/out bitching.

THe problem is they're rare so finding a low mile well cared for unit is tough. Prices are dropping daily as most people are terrified of owning a nearly 100K car with no warranty.


What else can you get as classy, cool, sexy, fast and dlow for 19K or less?

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want sooo bad must resist urge to talk to bank........
you must buy that car!


But not for 24K....more like 19/20K.
04-23-2016 12:54 PM
98GrandPrixIraqVet
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Originally Posted by Need4spd View Post
Seen the car in person, absolutely flawless, owner is pretty active on mbworld. If you're in the market for a E55, that's a car to get
want sooo bad must resist urge to talk to bank........
04-23-2016 10:26 AM
blueoval4life
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Originally Posted by Need4spd View Post
Here is one that wil eat that m5

ONE OF A KIND!! E55 AMG Mercedes Benz

Just remember that m5 have their own problems and in no way parts are cheaper, from what I hear that auto trans is pure garbage and expensive to fix

I hated the SMG trans. And one of the man reasons I sold my M5.
04-23-2016 09:46 AM
Need4spd Seen the car in person, absolutely flawless, owner is pretty active on mbworld. If you're in the market for a E55, that's a car to get
04-23-2016 09:29 AM
98GrandPrixIraqVet
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Originally Posted by Need4spd View Post
Here is one that wil eat that m5

ONE OF A KIND!! E55 AMG Mercedes Benz

Just remember that m5 have their own problems and in no way parts are cheaper, from what I hear that auto trans is pure garbage and expensive to fix
Oh my that car is sex!

Bnzuovr plate.
04-23-2016 09:00 AM
OffshoreDrilling @Mike K

tell them about the red gear of death
04-23-2016 08:54 AM
RICH17 G8 or Chevy SS?
04-23-2016 08:42 AM
Need4spd Here is one that wil eat that m5

ONE OF A KIND!! E55 AMG Mercedes Benz

Just remember that m5 have their own problems and in no way parts are cheaper, from what I hear that auto trans is pure garbage and expensive to fix
04-23-2016 01:55 AM
boostedguy05 I linked an 06 v10 m5 with sub 60k miles. For $22K
04-23-2016 01:52 AM
98GrandPrixIraqVet which gen m5 the v10 ones? those are getting reasonable too.

then again i just realized i did like the 3rd gen cts i had with the na 3.6 and 8 speed paddle shift as a rental while my navigator was in the body shop.

now if i could just find a nice 30kish cts v sport id rock that.

last i looked ebay a nice black cts vsport for 36k id like to be under that price though.
04-23-2016 01:23 AM
boostedguy05 Or the balls to the wall m5

Search car listing
04-23-2016 12:59 AM
boostedguy05 I fully understand the pay to play rule, but to me a $700 DIY brake job is insane for a DD. Like i posted, even no name e-bay crap is 500.

If i was looking for a performance sedan, id be looking at a 535. @Mike K should chime in.
04-22-2016 10:11 PM
blueoval4life I have owned one. And would never again. I will say the thrill and performance of the engine was amazing. But that was about it. Take this from someone who has owned similar year E60 M5. The E55 hands down was more fun to drive. But that was it. The interior was crap. All plastic bits. The comfort and handling does not even compare to a BMW. Oh and add on top the quality of the mechanics forget it. I had nothing but issues. Not major but they did not need to be. Parts even online for somethings were crazy. Especially with rear suspension. The rear air struts were 500 a piece and that was for cheap non factory replacements. Had nothing but electrical gremlins that caused ABS and air bag warning lights.That regular shops could not diagnose . I doubt you will buy one. But please listen to the forum peeps and stay away. Im not even listing all the issues I had. It makes me mad to think about all them and the $$$$$. And I fixed a lot myself.

04-22-2016 09:38 PM
98GrandPrixIraqVet yes a bit of knowledge from someone thats had one anyone else around here?
04-22-2016 07:47 PM
Need4spd No special tools needed for everyday stuff, just have to to disconnect SBC before you do a brake job (computer pumps the brakes when you open the door). Also supercharger bearing might be an issue, but cheap 80$
04-22-2016 07:39 PM
Need4spd I don't think 70k is a lot, mine turned 100k on the test drive. Couple things to check is the SBC module (ABS pump) common failure, mercedes actually extended warranty on those to 10yrs unlimited mileage, than pano roof make sure it works without any issues, fobs (keys) make sure you have 2 working (keyless go ones are expensive to replace 400$), also there are sensors in the door handles that sense the key and open the door make sure to walk up to every door and check it ( there about 160$ and you have to replace whole handle).
That's a nice color combo, must be rare never seen one before
04-22-2016 07:14 PM
98GrandPrixIraqVet
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Originally Posted by Need4spd View Post
I had one for a long time, it was high mileage (124k) no major issues. Last time I cheked brakes were really reasanable, 120$ per rotor and brake pads like 80$. Air suspension is about 400 a corner, motor mounts 100$ (eats those ). Probably most popular AMG out there and all issues are known, not that bad to fix if you're willing to do it yourself . Overall a great car and a blast to drive, undervalued in my opinion.
Thanks!

Think 70k miles is too high?

Rule #1 is THY SHALL FIX OWN SHIT so yes as long as I don't need some super expensive specialty tools ill be wrenching it myself. Or some specialty tools I'd buy if not outrageous price.

Rule #2 is Never pay full price for parts

04-22-2016 07:12 PM
Need4spd I had one for a long time, it was high mileage (124k) no major issues. Last time I cheked brakes were really reasanable, 120$ per rotor and brake pads like 80$. Air suspension is about 400 a corner, motor mounts 100$ (eats those ). Probably most popular AMG out there and all issues are known, not that bad to fix if you're willing to do it yourself . Overall a great car and a blast to drive, undervalued in my opinion.
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