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Yesterday 08:49 AM
BS ISF Just like every other BMW they under rated it. That torque number is real nice!!
05-21-2019 01:59 PM
Intel So is this going to beat a minivan or no?
05-21-2019 01:45 PM
Yaj Yak that's a pretty neat torque number
05-21-2019 01:39 PM

After lashing down Toyota’s new sports car, we discovered that, even with the power-sapping driveline losses of its transmission and rear axle, the Supra puts down 339 horsepower and 427 lb-ft of torque at the wheels. That’s slightly better than the 335 horses Toyota said the car would produce at the crank and a considerable jump from the 365 lb-ft the company promised. While modern drivetrains have become highly efficient at transferring power, the extra power that the Supra is putting to the ground helps explain its impressive accelerative ability.

For our test, we headed to Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. We strapped the Supra to the Dynojet all-wheel-drive dynamometer, as the car's stability systems only play nice when all four wheels are spinning. For this observation, we ran the test in the eight-speed automatic transmission's fifth-gear ratio of 1.32:1 to achieve a full sweep of the tachometer. We experimented with the 1.00:1 ratio of sixth gear but were unable to reach the engine's redline. The power output in sixth gear, however, matched our results of those in the higher gear.
05-16-2019 07:38 AM
bnr32 best part is most "lube techs" at a Toyota dealership can't even do an oil change on a Camry without fucking something up, this should be even better, and the regular techs even have problems with the FRS/86.
05-16-2019 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by Thirdgen89GTA View Post
Is this really the engine bay of the new Supra?

Thatís why they put a cover over it. In its defense a stock 2j Supra is a hot mess under the hood as well.
05-15-2019 10:01 PM
Thirdgen89GTA Is this really the engine bay of the new Supra?

05-15-2019 12:31 PM
Yaj Yak stoplight racing is what. tcg. DOES.

well. internet stoplight racing.

so your opinion is not welcome here.

move along
05-15-2019 12:28 PM
YoushallgoFo Acceleration numbers like 0-60 don't mean much unless you're racing at a stop light on a public road. At a road course you're not launching from 0 anyway. I always look at trap speed at the end of the 1/4 to determine how fast a car is.

That said, I wouldn't say the supra will out accelerate a gt350.
05-15-2019 10:57 AM
Originally Posted by Jeffs FRC View Post
Numbers are actually pretty decent. Wonder what will they run with basic bolt-ons and a tune...
The B58 motor in there makes really solid power with a simple ECU flash, intake and downpipe. Those simple mods net roughly 430whp/500 ft/lbs of torque.
05-15-2019 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by Pressure Ratio View Post
The GT350 isn't a quick car from a dig. Lacks gearing and traction. The Supra probably hooks well and leaves easy enough with the auto trans.
According to this thread horsepower number is the only thing that matters. Anything less than 450hp is too little and might as well go into the trash
05-15-2019 10:12 AM
Pressure Ratio
Originally Posted by bikrboy128 View Post
out accelerating a gt350?
The GT350 isn't a quick car from a dig. Lacks gearing and traction. The Supra probably hooks well and leaves easy enough with the auto trans.
05-15-2019 09:42 AM
Yaj Yak best option to me thus far regarding this and it's bmw cousin is to snag a CPO Z4 in 3 years for 24k with 32,000 miles on it some chick drove to tennis lessons and whole foods.
05-15-2019 09:39 AM
bikrboy128 out accelerating a gt350? i thought this thing was going to get clapped by minivans. what happened to muh horsepowers?

i like the car, not a fan of using the supra name. supra should be 100% toyota. they're one of the largest car companies in the world, no reason to re badge a bmw
05-15-2019 09:21 AM
Yaj Yak agreed
05-15-2019 09:17 AM
Pressure Ratio I think BMW numbers aren't really under rated a ton. I think it is the average power and torque, coupled with the gear ratios, that really makes their cars accelerate well. Versus cars where they have peaky power production even though they are similar in peak power numbers.
05-15-2019 08:57 AM
BS ISF treed!!

Correct me if i'm wrong but hasn't BMW in the past posted HP numbers that were more close to WHP? If so this would be closer to 380 crank?
05-15-2019 07:20 AM
Yaj Yak
These acceleration times stack up favorably against some bigger, pricier guns, nearly hanging with a Chevy Corvette or a Porsche Cayman GTS through the quarter-mile and slightly outaccelerating the BMW M2 Competition and the Ford Mustang Shelby GT350. This doesn't come as much of a surprise, given that it is based on BMW componentry, but the revived Supra follows in the BMW tradition of delivering far better performance than its claimed power, and thus power-to-weight ratio, would suggest. For example, at 10.1 pounds per horsepower, the Supra outaccelerates the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, which has 120 more horsepower, each of which is only taxed with 8.2 pounds. It's less a question of whether or not the Supra's 335-hp inline-six is underrated, and more about how much. Unfortunately, we have yet to test a BMW Z4 M40i to see how close the Supra is to the more powerful, "382-hp" six-cylinder Z4.

Although the horsepower rating is only 15 hp higher, the new Supra is quite a bit quicker than the revered Mark IV Supra Turbo from the mid-1990s, and—shockingly in today's world of almost always larger and heavier—108 pounds lighter, aided by its trimmer dimensions and lack of a rear seat. Our Renaissance Red test car weighed 3372 pounds, which is, impressively, a bit lighter than Toyota's claimed curb weight despite the fact that ours was a loaded Premium model, which pushed the as-tested price to $56,115.

However, Toyota hasn't divulged the coefficient of drag figure, and we'd guess by the way the Supra's high-speed acceleration tapers off that it isn't class-leading (all the fake vents probably don't help, but they would hurt more if they were real). By 100 mph, the Supra falls behind the Camaro SS 1LE and the M2, and, by 150 mph, the Supra is trailing those two by 1.5 and 3.2 seconds, respectively.

Despite wearing modestly sized Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires—that, yes, are branded with BMW's star (★) designation—the Supra averaged a heroic 1.07 g on the skidpad. That hangs with just about anything not wearing DOT-approved track tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli P Zero Corsas, and slightly better than the current top-dog Cayman GTS and BMW M2. Braking performance from 70 mph came in at a solidly impressive 148 feet, right in line with the front-engine competition, although the slightly front-biased Supra (51.5/48.5 percent front/rear) can't hang with the rear-biased Porsche Cayman or Boxster.

Welcome back, Supra. You've been missed.

fucking cool.

05-15-2019 07:06 AM
Jeffs FRC Numbers are actually pretty decent. Wonder what will they run with basic bolt-ons and a tune...
05-15-2019 05:31 AM
Blood on Blood Would make for a good DD

Blizzard for the winter

05-14-2019 10:46 PM
Pressure Ratio It cost more than people want it to cost because it's a BMW. Hahaha
05-14-2019 10:16 PM
N20GT I’m impressed with those #’s actually. So it costs a little more thanks to the “supra name” tax...whatevs.
05-14-2019 08:49 PM
Ryan02Stang They aren't bad numbers....for a sports car with a low $40's price....
05-14-2019 06:20 PM
05-14-2019 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by Mook View Post
a driver's car than can post a 0-60 of 3.8 and 1/4 of 12.3, oh noes so terrible?

i can understand the missed expectations of people looking for a halo gtr.

but i also can totally understand going a more attainable route. my ass is too cheap to buy either, but i'm sure the one i may consider buying first down the line is the pupra.

the greatest tcg track day ever would be one where everyone who whines about this car's power does some hot laps in an NA miata and miraculously discovers they really don't quite know how to handle 115 in the first place.
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