Test fitting 17x11's w 315's.. on the front

Pewter-Camaro · Mar 3, 2012

ok I had a crazy idea today.. see if the rear Deep dish 17x11's with 315's would fit on the front. Its been done before but rarely and I doubt with a car as uber dumped as mine. it took nothing but a 1/4" spacer and I really.. really.. want to do this but... This shot also shows a problem.. 1/4" travel before the wheel hits the fender. :squint:

I may trim the lip off in the fenders to clear the tires and spend less on a new computer to swing getting another set of rears from OEwheels.

At full lock it rubs in the well as well which it does with the 17x9's in the front as well so no biggie there.

Doesn't get any more "flush" than this. Yes I run a lot of camber. I always have and No I've never had a tire wear problem.

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 3, 2012

Camber doesn't wear tires; toe wears tires.

Get them rolled and pulled. I've seen 315's on the front of an fbody setup for road courses. Looked awesome

10sec · Mar 3, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
Camber doesn't wear tires; toe wears tires.

Get them rolled and pulled. I've seen 315's on the front of an fbody setup for road courses. Looked awesome

Efffing

to both of you. I can't stand thread after thread of people complaining the camber is wearing out their tires. MAYBE 1/32 tops, other than that, it doesn't.

OP, looks good, that's a whole lot of tire on that car :rofl:

Chester Copperpot · Mar 3, 2012

That's fucking bad ass.

+1 on the camber debate. I had about 1.5* of front camber on my GTO for 13,000mi after I put my coilovers on. Immediately had it aligned and told them don't worry about the camber or caster, just align the toe. Never had any wear problems.

Pewter-Camaro · Mar 3, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
Camber doesn't wear tires; toe wears tires.

Get them rolled and pulled. I've seen 315's on the front of an fbody setup for road courses. Looked awesome

they are plastic fenders though so I'm not sure what if any rolling can be done.

10sec said:
Efffing to both of you. I can't stand thread after thread of people complaining the camber is wearing out their tires. MAYBE 1/32 tops, other than that, it doesn't.

OP, looks good, that's a whole lot of tire on that car

I hate it too.. people always tell me I must go through tires because of the camber. Its not like I'm running -20 like some of the crazy import guys into Oni Camber do.

It is a lot of tire but it matches the rear nicely. The other option is to get some custom hubcentric spacers made for the front and run the 17x9's in the front but the 11" would just be cooler.. :rofl:

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 3, 2012

I run -1.7 degrees front and rear and drive 20k miles a year. Tires are fine

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 3, 2012

The outer fenders are plastic?

Pewter-Camaro · Mar 3, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
The outer fenders are plastic?

Yup.. plastic outer fenders same as the bumper, Doors are fiberglass, 1/4's are steel, tailgate is plastic, wing is I believe fiberglass. Its a crazy bastard mix on these cars. Its the reason why some color cars like mine have panels all change color after they get age on them.

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 3, 2012

Hack away then? :rofl:

C.Evans · Mar 3, 2012

Werd on the camber wearing out tires debate. That shit pisses me off.

Pewter-Camaro · Mar 3, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
Hack away then?

Thats what I was thinking except less hacking more marking and cutting. Going to get the price first and then it will be time to hack the car up more. :rofl:

Turk · Mar 3, 2012

I'm still not sure why such huge tires up front....

Chester Copperpot · Mar 3, 2012

Because race car.

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 3, 2012

Turk said:
I'm still not sure why such huge tires up front....

Insane turn in. He has it.

Pewter-Camaro · Mar 3, 2012

GT5.0FACE said:
Because race car.

Exactly.. Race Car! Actually I might go with a narrower tire in the front with the same 17x11" rim to help the clearance a bit.

Donnie · Mar 3, 2012

I'm not too familiar with the fourth gens. Are those fenders the same polymer they used in the Saturds? If so, IIRC there's a few people in that scene that have had some luck heat-molding the fenders. Most of the Auto-X types just let the tires "Self Clearance" though. lol.

CrunkMaro · Mar 3, 2012

heat gun and lots of time. it'll mold.

smug · Mar 4, 2012

On my lowered Accord with the toe in spec and camber was at -1.8*, slightly out of spec, it was wearing the very inside edge of my rear tires and the outside edge was not really even touching the road. It was just barley not touching but you could tell when I would drive down my gravel drive way and look at the dust on the tire. Never had a problem with the front tires set at -0.9* of camber.

I just dont understand how camber will have no effect on tire wear. IMO if the tire is riding on the inside edge, that will wear out first.

Eagle · Mar 4, 2012

Donnie said:
I'm not too familiar with the fourth gens. Are those fenders the same polymer they used in the Saturds? If so, IIRC there's a few people in that scene that have had some luck heat-molding the fenders. Most of the Auto-X types just let the tires "Self Clearance" though. lol.

Self clearance idea works. :hsugh:

Just try putting 28x10.5 MT drags on the rear and you'll quickly find out how this works.

10sec · Mar 4, 2012

smug said:
On my lowered Accord with the toe in spec and camber was at -1.8*, slightly out of spec, it was wearing the very inside edge of my rear tires and the outside edge was not really even touching the road. It was just barley not touching but you could tell when I would drive down my gravel drive way and look at the dust on the tire. Never had a problem with the front tires set at -0.9* of camber.

I just dont understand how camber will have no effect on tire wear. IMO if the tire is riding on the inside edge, that will wear out first.

If there is enough camber to put the outside of the tire off the ground, clearly the inside and the rest of the tire will wear first. 1/32 is the biggest difference I saw with my cars, with camber above 2*. My Evo was 2.2*, but it wasn't driven like a bitch, thus had even tire wear. My s2000 was 3.5*, but again, wasn't driven like a slow ass bitch, so my tires always wore evenly.

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 4, 2012

smug said:
On my lowered Accord with the toe in spec and camber was at -1.8*, slightly out of spec, it was wearing the very inside edge of my rear tires and the outside edge was not really even touching the road. It was just barley not touching but you could tell when I would drive down my gravel drive way and look at the dust on the tire. Never had a problem with the front tires set at -0.9* of camber.

I just dont understand how camber will have no effect on tire wear. IMO if the tire is riding on the inside edge, that will wear out first.

did this guy have rubberband tires on? -1.8* isn't much at all.

There's a HUGE difference between toe being in spec and ZERO toe. Arent you some sort of mechanic or something? Might be time to go back to school....

C.Evans · Mar 4, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
did this guy have rubberband tires on? -1.8* isn't much at all.

There's a HUGE difference between toe being in spec and ZERO toe. Arent you some sort of mechanic or something? Might be time to go back to school....

smug · Mar 6, 2012

ilikemtb999 said:
did this guy have rubberband tires on? -1.8* isn't much at all.

There's a HUGE difference between toe being in spec and ZERO toe. Arent you some sort of mechanic or something? Might be time to go back to school....

No need to be a dick, just saying what MY car did while it is lowered on H&R springs and before I bought rear adjustable camber arms to fix tire wear issues that is common in lowered Accords. -1.8* is barley out of spec on my car, but is still wore the inside edge, no cupping or anything else weird. I could stand behind my car and totally see the negative camber difference between the front and rear wheels.

I really don't know how your cars with 2 or more degrees or negative camber don't have tire wear issues but every car is different for the most part.

Sorry, not a mechanic, I am a body tech so fuck you.

smug · Mar 6, 2012

10sec said:
If there is enough camber to put the outside of the tire off the ground, clearly the inside and the rest of the tire will wear first. 1/32 is the biggest difference I saw with my cars, with camber above 2*. My Evo was 2.2*, but it wasn't driven like a bitch, thus had even tire wear. My s2000 was 3.5*, but again, wasn't driven like a slow ass bitch, so my tires always wore evenly.

I drive my car like a grandma so..........

Bob Kazamakis · Mar 7, 2012

So anyways SMUG......like I said there's a huge difference between toe that's "in spec" and toe that is set at zero.

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