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Old 04-15-2018, 09:16 PM   #326
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Over the weekend I spent a lot of time in the garage getting the car back together. Since Thursday, I have:

Oil change
Painted oil pan
New Spark plugs
Replaced axle seal
Topped off trans fluid
Replaced oil pan gasket
Replaced flexplate to flywheel bolts
Cleaned engine bay, cradle and engine
Installed new trans shift & select cables
Touched up paint on S/C and valve covers
Adjusted and fixed exhaust vibrations/contact
Replaced damaged/leaking heater core coolant line
Ground front control arms to stop wheels from rubbing at full turn

The engine is in and everything up top is connected. I still need to attach the coolant hose to the new heater core line, add coolant and bleed system, connect parking brake, put the interior back together and a few other odds and ends. Should hopefully have it fired up in a few days and driving shortly after. All of this work was prepping for a presentation this coming Saturday for the April N.I.F.E. meeting. I'll be speaking to the 3800 swap article I wrote and have my Fiero there as a reference.


Oil pan off for painting


Freshly painted oil pan


New axle seal installed


Ceramic coating starting to flake






Fiero raised up and engine ready to be pushed under

edit: Forgot to add when I replaced the oil pan I also cleaned off the oil pump pickup pipe. There was a decent amount of sludge/buildup covering the screen that I cleaned off. The rest of the oil pan looked good inside; no excessive sludge buildup or debris.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:24 PM   #327
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During this most recent engine install, I found myself scrolling through this build thread for the torque specs I swore I posted. Turns out I never did, so I am posting some specs for future reference:

Clutch Pressure Plate: 15 ft/lbs plus 45*
Engine to transaxle bolts: 55 ft/lbs
Oil Pan Bolts: 125 NM
Oil Pump Pipe: 11 ft/lbs
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Best thread on here. I enjoy reading your posts and being jealous over your pics.
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Best thread on here. I enjoy reading your posts and being jealous over your pics.
Thanks man! I appreciate your enthusiasm and comments every time I post updates.
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Nice work Man, You've got dem skills!!
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Looks great man. Glad someone is still building these
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Tonight I got the interior back together, connected the parking brake, attached all the wiring and coolant lines underneath the car, installed the wheel well liners and wheels. I also cranked the engine over with the ICM disconnected to build oil pressure and make sure everything’s connected right. Just need to add coolant and bleed the system and she’ll be ready for a test drive tomorrow. I’m excited to work with the new shift and selects cables to hopefully work out the awkward shift into 3rd.
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A lot has happened since the last update so another is in order. After reassembly, I went for a drive to test the new cables where I was euphoric when the first 2-3 shift was buttery smooth. No more awkward shifts into third, the cables shift beautifully. I got caught up in the moment and went around a few more blocks then originally planned when I noticed my temp gauge reading over 220. I had not fully bled the system before the drive but wanted to get it to operating temp quicker via a short drive. As I was pulling back into the garage the radiator overflow tank lived up to its name and dumped coolant all over the floor. I shut off the car and let it cool before I attempted to bleed the system. Car got quite a bit hot but thankfully no lingering issues as a result.

After the overheating scare I checked to see how the new oil pan gasket and axle seal were holding up. The oil pan was nice and dry, still is as of today, however the axle seal still has a small leak, albeit less than before. Not sure if I kinked the seal a bit during install or didn't clean the axle seal housing enough. I can live with this until the next time the cradle comes out for a 2nd attempt at stopping it.

The car did just fine on the 2+ hour round trip to Grayslake and back. The presentation itself was fun and had some good feedback/questions from the audience. I pulled the Fiero inside the host dealerships service bay for some additional Q&A. Since the car is so low I was not able to get it up on a lift unfortunately.




The article was split across two issues seen here. One of the best things about this whole thing was I was able to sneak a picture of my grandpa and I alongside the car into one of the issues. I went to see him after the first article was released and gave him a copy to show off. He got a kick out of it.

The car sat for a few weeks after this presentation due to household projects taking precedent. About 2 months ago I was able to get back in the garage to tackle replacing the fuel sending unit I wasn't able to do with the engine out. The replacement went smooth however the gas gauge still doesn't read completely accurate. I have yet to test the wiring but feel the gauge is to blame now. I still needed to replace the unit as the wiring had been poorly repaired by prior owners and had caused some no start issues before. At key on, the fuel pump sounds a lot healthier than before which is a plus.

Ever since the first drive with the completed engine swap years ago I had some lingering issues with a surging idle at startup and when coming to a stop. I had suspected the IAC valve but never replaced it due to it not causing any major issues otherwise. Fast forward to replacing the fuel sending unit. What prompted the install is the car died while warming up for a 2nd coolant system bleed. I restarted the car and it would not stay running. Giving it gas kept it running, albeit very rough, but it would die as soon as I let off. Initially I figured I ran out of gas but during the replacement I found at least a quarter tank in there. Once the tank was back in I went to fill it up, car started just fine and made it to the gas station without issue. As luck would have it, the car acted up immediately at the gas station and I had to limp it home which was an adventure in and of itself. The car sat for a few weeks as home projects once again took precedent. I made it back in the garage again last weekend to hopefully resolve the issue for good. I suspected either a bad cam/crank sensor or even IAC valve based on how the car was acting. I checked DTC's and found P0102 for a MAF sensor inefficiency. I have a Northstar TB and an LQ4 MAF sensor from a ZZP kit. While I didn't have a spare MAF to throw on the car, I do have a surplus of Northstar TB's and their sensors. The ZZP kit ties the MAF and throttle position sensor into one connector. On a whim, I replaced the TP sensor which to my surprise corrected the issue. The car drives so much better now, smoother acceleration, less surge at idle (still may need and IAC valve), and no more RPM surge when decelerating.


Aeroforce gauge still holding up strong. Bought this for my GTP over 10 years ago and has been very useful. There are still a lot of random DTC codes I need to clear from the PCM that flag because of the engine swap.

Over the weekend I spent time prepping for the Fiero 35th Anniversary Show in East Peoria this weekend. People from all over the country will be coming and I am real excited to have my car there. The big repair was getting the rear brake hoses replaced. I had noticed a burning smell after some recent test drives and isolated it to the rear brakes. Brakes would lock up after applying them but eventually free up with some movement. I figured it was the drivers side rear caliper acting up as I had replaced it this time last year and reman units are very hit or miss. I lifted the car up and found that it was both wheels locking up, not just the drivers side. This led me to suspect the brake hoses. I had already bought new lines years ago to replace while I updated the rest of the system but didn't due to the lines being pretty corroded. With some careful persuasion I was able to break the fittings lose and replace the lines. The lines on the car were originals and still had the manufacture date stamp from July of 1986! No wonder they were dragging. Problem solved. I'll eventually replace the rear lines from the junction block to each wheel as the actual fitting on the hard lines are seized, this will wait till the engines out again.

Aside from the brakes, I painted the vent brackets from the engine bay, sideview mirrors (although they didn't turn out as good as hoped), and reworked the paint scheme on the rear bumper. I'll have pictures once I get it back on. I took the bumper off the car as it is easier to paint that way, but this will also allow me to align it better as it was sagging a bit, leaving a decent size gap between it and the tail lights. I still need to do a final clean and detail on the car, but all major work on the car is done for the most part. For the actual car show itself I plan to build a wood shelf for the trunk to allow a platform to display some items on. I'll have the copies of my magazine and a build book documenting all the work that has gone into the car. While the car itself won't be a huge standout at the show (there will be a lot of amazing, clean swaps there), I have put a lot of work into things not easily seen: rebuilding the entire suspension and brakes, correcting rusted floor boards, swapping the body electric harness, etc.

I'll post pics once the car is back together for the show this week and be sure to share highlights from the events this coming weekend.
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One last major development: I unexpectedly got the greenlight from the wife to start looking for a place to get the car painted. While the paint is not terrible, there are enough imperfections, overspary and fade when up close that it certainly needs some attention. Any recommendations for a good paint shop are appreciated.
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Awesome! More Fiero love! I always look forward to reading this thread.

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Awesome update and read! I'd holler at KJ for the paint, even though I don't think it needs it because the car looks just absolutely amazing, but perfection is perfection. Seriously, that car looks sooooo damn good.
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Awesome update and read! I'd holler at KJ for the paint, even though I don't think it needs it because the car looks just absolutely amazing, but perfection is perfection. Seriously, that car looks sooooo damn good.
Thanks! Thereís enough chips and even some big gouges in some spots that it needs one. The rear deck lid is sans spoiler and needs the bolt holes filled in and blended as well. Iíll give KJ a shout about paint.
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Thanks again for your continuous enthusiasm!
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Two updates in one day, nice. Spent the night in the garage putting things back together. Got the bumper back on and it turned out awesome. I adjusted the painted area on the back to better flow with the existing lines of the bumper. Goal was not to see any black from looking at the broadside of the car, and have some resemblance to my old GTP and the new Corvette bumpers with the two tone paint and design. The edges are a bit rough in spots as the plast-dip stuck a bit, but nothing you can see unless you have your face right up in it.


Painted this outside yesterday but had it dry in the garage overnight.


Overall the look is better. I like having the lower section black as it helps hide the only visible parts of the exhaust system, also painted black. You can also see a proper gap between the upper bumper and the taillights. I adjusted the plate up a bit and am very happy at the improved look.


You can see the lines better from this angle. Can't see the black when looking at it from the side.

While reinstalling bumper I discovered the passenger side marker was melted where the bulb inserts. I found an old side marker where the back section was still in tact. After some careful prying I removed the backing and attached it to the original side marker. My only other spare was cracked so I'm glad this worked out. I went to superglue them together but discovered all the tubes had dried out. Its held in place by screws for now and I'll fix it properly later.


Old broken spare on top and the original piece below with the melted section.

While I had the wheel well liners out I finally got around to installing the fenderwell/cold air intake. It took some finagling to get the alignment just right to fit, but it turned out great. The main reason I finalized this is the chance of rain on Friday and my old setup with the filter under the engine vent would not have fared well.


You can also see the freshly painted vent bracket installed. Paints a bit glossier than I'd like but it matches the vent cover so it's all good.


I'm sure I'll notice an improvement no longer sucking in hot engine bay air.

More updates to come as the week progresses.
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I'm back from the Fiero 35th Anniversary Show and it was an amazing weekend. Shameless plug: this weekend would not have been half as fun without my wife there. This was her first real exposure to a car show/event and she actually had a lot of fun! The best, and most unanticipated moment, was when her inherent competitive nature kicked in and said we need to get those missing interior/exterior upgrades I'd been mentioning to ensure we get an award for next time.

The car performed flawlessly on the way down and back. No issues with the cooling or brake systems that I had recently worked on which was a bit of a worry for me. On the way there, average 28 mpg by the time I filled up in Bloomington/Normal only 40 miles from the show. On the way back I was about 25mpg, which is still nice. The goldilock zone for cruisinng was between 60-65mph. With the trans gearing, anything higher I found my speed wandering too much without the aid of cruise control. Despite the gearing, however, I was pleasantly surprised with how well the car performed given i was between 2,500 and 2,800 RPM maintaining that speed.

The actual show itself was a blast. Got to see a lot of familiar faces I had met before as well as those I had solely interacted with and/or sold items to online. Everyone was friendly and genuinely excited to be there. There was a great showing across all categories from all original, low mileage cars to engine swaps and factory concept cars and prototypes. I should have taken more pictures, but here are some of my favorite parts of the weekend:


Easily one of my favorite cars there. Don't know the full details of the engine itself, but I had seen pictures of this car all over the Fiero forums since the day I got the Fiero itch.




Full tube chassis car and the only Fiero parts on it are the tailights. This is and homage build to the old Fiero IMSA cars of days past. Truley an amazing car to see in person.




This was a recently discovered/acquired PPG car. Not sure on the exact total, but there around 5-7 of these ever made testing various new systems and body panels for Fiero's.


What's unique about this PPG car is that it has a prototype factory turbocharger setup installed. You could not really see it with the hood open, but the unique plumping for the turbo was visible.


Also unique to this car is it was owned by a high school body shop for most of its life post GM prototype. This picture shows all the different layers of paint sanded down highlighting all the work done to this car over the years by students.


This is the original prototype for the Mera based on the Fiero spaceframe. These were built by C&C Concepts, who helped with teh T-Tops on the 88 models, and is modeled after the 308 Ferarri. Beautiful car to see in person.




An 88 GT with only 286 miles one it. Still has the factory window stickers and seat covers on it. I'm more of the mindset to drive cars to preserve the heritage, but you can appreciate cars like this.




An early production prototype for the 1988 Fiero. This one was fiited with the never realized 1990 Fiero instrument cluster and dash pocket. A barn find that had sat in Michican since 1991.




Hard to see but this is the prototype dash for the 1990 Fiero. With this vehicle never seeing production, this dash design was actually adopted for the Pontiac Firebird of the early 90's so it's legacy lived on.

There were some really incredible engine swaps I had seen before but also a few new ones that were equally impressive.


Despite being a Series I 3800, this is arguably one of the cleanest and nicest engine swaps I have ever seen. He took home top honors at Fierorama last year for non-V8 engine swap class, and won numerous awards this weekend including the "best craftsmanship award.' A very nice older gentlemen to talk and interact with, very happy he took home many awards.


This car had one of the first 3800 swaps done to a Fiero, back in 2003, and is hands done the nicest put together 3800 swap I have ever seen. The attention to detail, and, the fact that this is a purpose built track car, only solidified this as a car to envy and work towards achieving the same level of quality and attention to detail.


Absolutely immaculate swap. The attention to detail is second to none.

There were also some really interesting engine swaps with some unconventional (to the Fiero world) ideas and concepts seen to fruition. The two that stood out the most were an Iron Duke 4 cylinder with a series 2 supercharger worked into the mix.



The 2nd is a more unique (3400 or 3500) swap with a turbo and some extensive body modifications. A real amazing car that I wish I had the opportunity to speak with the owner about his build.



I'll close out the post with a car that would normally blend in with the rest of the original and stock Fieros seen at shows. What stood out was the actual story of this Fiero and its owners.




As seen in the picture, this is the 6th to last Fiero ever built, 4th to last GT ever built, and the last 5-speed manual Fiero ever built. The owners were super friendly and the wife and I picked there brain for quite a while. He won the award today for "youngest Fiero" at the show and even has a video from the last day the plant was open with his car coming off the assembly line. Tying a car/event/object to specific and significant points in time is always something that grabs my attention.

After I recover from over 2 days spent in the blistering sun and a drivinng a car without a/c, I will have other updates and future plans posted here to this thread.
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Also, I created a unique Instagram account for my Fiero and all the projects (past, present and future) I have for it. If interested, follow @projectl67fiero or #projectl67fiero for additional updates.
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Dude thats bad ass! What an awesome show!
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The 23rd annual Fierorama came and went and was a great time as always. Not as many cars as years past due to the 35th anniversary show being just last month. I did take 3rd place in the "non-V8 engine swap" class which was nice.

I have been ordering a bunch of parts lately including all things necessary to add a/c to the car. In addition, I bought new side markers as the originals were faded and cracked, LED interior and license plate lights, new front wheel bearings, and new rear quarter sail panels as I accidentally cracked the passenger side one when installing new shop lights.




New side marker on the bottom, old ones above.


Not the best pic, but the improvement is quite nice.


During the LED install, I accidentally pulled to hard on the plug breaking the connection. I was worried I'd need to pull the dash to fix it but was able to get it done with only removing the sub box.

Speaking of shop lights, I grew tired of always fighting for good lighting while working in the garage. Originally there were only two incandescent bulbs to light an entire 2.5 car garage. I may have gone a bit overboard, but the new LED shop lights are amazing. I hung six 48" lights which is perfect, I was considering 8 but this works for now. After I got done, the wife came out to check on me and said "it looks like a damn operating room in there." Shes not wrong



I have been meaning to add a TV to the garage for quite some time and I recently got a free hand-me-down from my parents that works great for now. I used old scrap wood and put together a make-shift stand for it. Its a bit janky, but I used enough screws to secure it so I'm not worried about it falling or anything. The eventual goal is a bigger one once I start my garage layout redesign in the coming years.



On order right now are new leather seat covers as mine have run their course and need replacement. I have been meaning to do this for a while but seeing a few Mr. Mike's kits at Fierorama again this year got me to finally pull the trigger. The color scheme will be dark gray and "midnight," playing into the stock interior color scheme. Should be about a month for them to get made and shipped my way.

I also sent off my spare steering wheel to get refurbished and the leather replaced. The one currently in the car is in decent shape however the leather is really worn smooth. The wheel I sent off had a bunch of nicks and scratches on it so it was the best candidate for refurbishing. I sent it off last week to a guy in North Carolina who does excellent work and thankfully was not affected by hurricane Florence. He will strip and repaint the wheel hub and exposed metal in the middle and use the stock color leather and stitching. I should have this back in the next week or so.
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Looks great! The progression on this is awesome
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Thanks man, I appreciate it!
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Always glad to see your project is going smoothly. Definitely missed going to both anniversaries this year. Canít wait to see what happens next on the car
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Always glad to see your project is going smoothly. Definitely missed going to both anniversaries this year. Canít wait to see what happens next on the car
Good to hear from you! How are things going with your car? If I remember correctly, it was on hold a bit while you were going off to school?
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I think the Fiero gets better with age for some reason or another.
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Good to hear from you! How are things going with your car? If I remember correctly, it was on hold a bit while you were going off to school?


Things arenít the best with it haha. I got it running which was the overall goal, but took it Autocrossing in Rantoul, IL last year during school and spun a bottom rod. I live in Iowa now but the car is still in the suburbs lol. I have to take some time and figure out the next steps with it and go from there.

Your car at least is my motivation to try and get it going again!
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