Forum Register TCG Mobile Casino Live Posting Feed Garage Arcade Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   The Chicago Garage > The Garage > TCG Technical > The Blue Oval > Marauder Tech

User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-02-2012, 09:55 AM   #1
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default Project Jaggoff

Here is the story - I don't have a cool build name or project name and I really dont care to come up with one.

i bought an 03/04 cobra motor from throttle body to oil pan for a RIDICULOUS price that came direct from Ford (corporate/manufacturing). Only issue is no one knows it history. It was an orphan (not on any inventory list) in a warehouse full of Ford Racing stuff (crate engines, cut-away engines, other performance parts). Got it home and pulled a few things like the plenum....no oil whatsoever (no faint residue - nothing) on the plenum or throttle body. haven't pulled the supercharger yet but am not expecting any. All the pullies look barely used (i.e., almost like start up time). Effectively no road grime. Now, I have no idea what it looks like inside but I will eventually pull the oil pan and take a look.

The pics below are after a few hours of taking things off the motor like the tensioner bridge, alternator, alternator brackets etc. I pulled the valve covers to have them powdercoated, along with a marauder timing cover and I was further surprised when I pulled the valve covers - the internals of the heads from the top side look brand new....cams, chains, springs.

My plan before dropping it in my marauder:
98 cobra cams advanced 4 degrees
Ported blower
Pullied
maybe longtubes (not sure on funds just yet)

Questions I know I'll have shortly:
1. Degreeing cams
2. Fuel situation - what to use, how to set it up (return, returnless, etc.)
3. Injectors - already have 39# blue tops but are they enough???
4. Vac line wiring/Engine harness modification

Goals:
+500 rwhp/rwtq DRIVER on 93 octane on street tune.

Thoughts? Comments?
Attached Images
    
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2012, 01:04 PM   #2
God Speed Blues Brother
 
SC Cheesehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 273
Casino cash: $4753900
0.08 per day
Default

Ooooooooooooh!

Me likey Eatons on 4Vs, especially in Marauders!
SC Cheesehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 07:53 AM   #3
 
musclemerc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 554
Casino cash: $7378400
0.16 per day
Default

The stock cam timing has shown to be off quite a bit from bank to bank by as much as 10* +. So my question to you is, if the cams aren't degreed your advancing 4* from what? What LC are you shooting for?

A stock pullied and ported Eaton will not be enough to get you to 500HP/TQ you will need other supporting mods. More then likely you will be in the 400~430HP range. Remember these are not Mustangs we have a 4300lb curb weight

Ditch the Eaton and go for a Whipple, Lynsholm, or TVS if you plan on getting those kind of numbers.

You can save some cash on LTs by finding a good used set of BBK headers they bolt right up and require little modification to make them work. PM me for more info on doing the install
musclemerc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 08:33 AM   #4
in black sheep's clothing
 
wolfe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Si Oh Em Pee Tee Oh En
Posts: 17,484
Casino cash: $4800000
4.30 per day
Default

I don't know what the mauraders have for pumps, but I know a termi needs at least a boost a pump with a ported eaton. And upgraded injectors. You will have to do the headers to get close to that 500 level, will be hard to hit even with.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by IZZy View Post
We have the GFY chromosome
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon03 View Post
my vagina to big for your little jaun peepee
wolfe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 09:12 AM   #5
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

Thanks for the responses and feedback. After re-reading my post, I think I'm going about what I'm asking/trying to figure out all wrong.

Right now, my goal is to max out the Heaton before the motor gets put in. I am sending it off for porting and will install an interchangeable upper and larger lower. I will be HAPPY with any power it puts out because I do understand the heaton's limitations (having previously owned and built an 03 Harley f-150) and our weight limitations.

I have a set of 98 cobra cams sitting in my garage that I was just going to drop in the marauder before this. Is there a reason I shouldnt use them?

I'm all honesty, what I think I know about cams is from your (musclemerc) very helpful posts and the only way I'm really going to understand is getting my hands dirty. Figure what better way than with a motor sitting on a pallat in my garage.
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 09:16 AM   #6
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

P.S. I want this done correct and would like to do as much myself as possible. At least then, if it is fucked up I know I'm the one who fucked it up and can learn from what happened.
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 09:16 AM   #7
4 Doors 4 Life
 
Zack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 6,295
Casino cash: $8049900
1.12 per day
Default

Headers, 60# injectors, 340lph pump with BAP, posi ported Eaton and 16 psi will get you right at 500rwhp.
You will throw 1000 at the Eaton to get here....when you can find a used Whipple for under 2500 and make 540rwhp.
__________________
03 Marauder Whipple 3.4 [email protected] 715rwhp/655rwtq
03 Blue Marauder TurboCharged 620rwhp/626rwtq
93 Town Car 4V/Whipple 2.9 700rhwp/606rwtq
03 Black Marauder DD
1959 Cadillac!
Zack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 10:20 AM   #8
 
musclemerc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 554
Casino cash: $7378400
0.16 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by huh?! View Post
Thanks for the responses and feedback. After re-reading my post, I think I'm going about what I'm asking/trying to figure out all wrong.

Right now, my goal is to max out the Heaton before the motor gets put in. I am sending it off for porting and will install an interchangeable upper and larger lower. I will be HAPPY with any power it puts out because I do understand the heaton's limitations (having previously owned and built an 03 Harley f-150) and our weight limitations.

I have a set of 98 cobra cams sitting in my garage that I was just going to drop in the marauder before this. Is there a reason I shouldnt use them?

I'm all honesty, what I think I know about cams is from your (musclemerc) very helpful posts and the only way I'm really going to understand is getting my hands dirty. Figure what better way than with a motor sitting on a pallat in my garage.
Absolutley, you should use the 98 cams, they will add up to 30HP/TQ SC'ed if you take the time and degree them. I will PM you LC numbers that will get the most out of them. The tools to degree them will set you back a little but it will be money well spent.

BTW: you have enough in Cobra parts that wont be used on the MM to resell. Timing cover, Stock Eaton, crank pully, alt bracket, intercooler hardlines, stock headers, COT, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by huh?! View Post
P.S. I want this done correct and would like to do as much myself as possible. At least then, if it is fucked up I know I'm the one who fucked it up and can learn from what happened.
My Dad always said to me "Son either we're gonna fix it... Or fuck it up" LOL!!!

I'm the same way, save your money and do it yourself
musclemerc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 04:25 PM   #9
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by musclemerc View Post
Absolutley, you should use the 98 cams, they will add up to 30HP/TQ SC'ed if you take the time and degree them. I will PM you LC numbers that will get the most out of them. The tools to degree them will set you back a little but it will be money well spent.

BTW: you have enough in Cobra parts that wont be used on the MM to resell. Timing cover, Stock Eaton, crank pully, alt bracket, intercooler hardlines, stock headers, COT, etc.
Thanks! Would really appreciate the info re cams. Don't mind the cost if reasonable.

Already have a number of parts taken off and getting ready to sell. Still have a few other things I need to collect for the motor swap as well like bap, fuel pump, COT and i/c pump.

With everything showing up, my wife is starting to freak (and after a complete engine showing up, rightfully so) and now she's asked me for a plan with numbers. So, I'm putting together a worst case, base case and target case presentation with spreadsheets...I can make shit dance with spreadsheets. Lol!!!!!
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 04:40 PM   #10
4 Doors 4 Life
 
Zack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 6,295
Casino cash: $8049900
1.12 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by huh?! View Post
Thanks! Would really appreciate the info re cams. Don't mind the cost if reasonable.

Already have a number of parts taken off and getting ready to sell. Still have a few other things I need to collect for the motor swap as well like bap, fuel pump, COT and i/c pump.

With everything showing up, my wife is starting to freak (and after a complete engine showing up, rightfully so) and now she's asked me for a plan with numbers. So, I'm putting together a worst case, base case and target case presentation with spreadsheets...I can make shit dance with spreadsheets. Lol!!!!!
I have a pressure tested, modified COT ready to ship.
$220 shipped and i get your stock COT in return.
Zack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 04:41 PM   #11
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack View Post
Headers, 60# injectors, 340lph pump with BAP, posi ported Eaton and 16 psi will get you right at 500rwhp.
You will throw 1000 at the Eaton to get here....when you can find a used Whipple for under 2500 and make 540rwhp.
If i understand correctly, wouldnt I still need a bap, 60#s and a 340 fuel pump for 2.3 whipple?

While I'm super excited and want to put it in ASAP, I do not NEED to put it in right away. I miss my whippled Harley truck and tinkering with it, and I've turned into a complete degenerate in the 4 years since I sold it.

As I said, I want to do this right from the get go.

This isn't my daily driver but I like to drive it ALOT (I'm a sleeper car kind of guy), thus would like to build a solid, powerful driver.

I have absolutely no problem re-evaluating how to go about things if it makes sense (and I'm usually the out-layer so it's easy to convince me of ruh-tarded stuff)
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 04:44 PM   #12
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack View Post
I have a pressure tested, modified COT ready to ship.
$220 shipped and i get your stock COT in return.
Unfortunately, I think I have Terry's new style brackets and from what I understand your cot may not work with them. I think I am going to mock up my engine when I get the valve covers and timing cover back from powder coating to take measurements.
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 04:46 PM   #13
4 Doors 4 Life
 
Zack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 6,295
Casino cash: $8049900
1.12 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by huh?! View Post
If i understand correctly, wouldnt I still need a bap, 60#s and a 340 fuel pump for 2.3 whipple?

While I'm super excited and want to put it in ASAP, I do not NEED to put it in right away. I miss my whippled Harley truck and tinkering with it, and I've turned into a complete degenerate in the 4 years since I sold it.

As I said, I want to do this right from the get go.

This isn't my daily driver but I like to drive it ALOT (I'm a sleeper car kind of guy), thus would like to build a solid, powerful driver.

I have absolutely no problem re-evaluating how to go about things if it makes sense (and I'm usually the out-layer so it's easy to convince me of ruh-tarded stuff)
Anything over 500rwhp and I think you should have a return fuel system.
You will need all the stuff I mentioned for the Whipple. The trans wont last forever either with a Whipple.
Zack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 05:12 PM   #14
4 Doors 4 Life
 
Zack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 6,295
Casino cash: $8049900
1.12 per day
Default

Send me a COT and the bracket and Ill make one.
Zack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #15
 
huh?!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 67
Casino cash: $4635100
0.02 per day
Default

Done. Will send pm later.
huh?! is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.6 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
no new posts