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Old 12-19-2018, 02:28 PM   #76
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Whether or not you think that they should be legal or not, I think the funniest part is those that think the law will matter... like if a criminal wants one of these, he won't get one
Yep, none of these laws have any impact on shootings.
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I’m still trying to figure out how a bumpstock is even illegal with the current definition of the law... it’s still one round per trigger action
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Fuck that no one's really gotten it right except maybe the 9/11 hijackers and McVeigh. I'm thankful for it, but when people start figuring out that bomb plots are likely way more effective than shootings we're all in deep shit. The Pulse was the worse shooting in US history and the 9/11 hijackers killed over 2X as many people per person while Mcveigh did over 3X as many, 1.5X if you count Nichols as a co-conspirator. While our country is thankfully free of large quantities of munitions unlike a lot of places that have IEDs, we have easy access to a great amount of common chemicals that could be used for such things. All it takes is someone smart and sociopathic enough to do it.
Its even easier than making a bomb and being smart....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

Driving a truck into a crowd is more effective than shooting on them, and a hell of a lot easier than making a bomb.
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these seems like they were pretty useless and designed for people to watch them in youtube videos
They were originally designed for shooters with disabilities IIRC.
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Its even easier than making a bomb and being smart....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

Driving a truck into a crowd is more effective than shooting on them, and a hell of a lot easier than making a bomb.
True dat if done correctly. Easily gotten too.
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They were originally designed for shooters with disabilities IIRC.
That was arm braces. And it just highlights how stupid SBR laws are
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MY POINT IS!!!!! There are more important attacks on the 2A that need to be fought. YOU WILL NEVER WIN THEM ALL. It's unrealistic.
So what will be your tipping point when you finally think it’s worth the fight?

If a new shooting happens and they used a binary trigger and they say “you have 90 days to turn them in or you’re a felon!” Are you still saying “meh”?

If a new shooting happens and they used a aftermarket trigger and they say “it helped him shoot faster, turn them in!” Are you still saying “meh”?

If a new shooting happens and the guy had a front grip, and they say it helped him control the gun to kill more people faster, turn them in?

If they get a magazine ban and only 10 round magazines are allowed are you okay with that?

What if a few shootings in a row happen with ten round magazines and they say now all guns must be “California compliant” and you have to take them apart to put in a new magazine and the new magazine can only hold 5 rounds. Is that finally the time to “fight”?

This isn’t about bump stocks, I agree they’re dumb as hell, this is about the government taking an item that was deemed perfectly legal (by the ATF) and saying “well it changed the rate of fire, so we’re banning it and you now have 90 days to comply or you’re a felon!” No grandfathering in, no paying for parts you bought legally, you’re just a felon now.

How long until they ban any sort of modification because it makes shooting easier, thus it’s faster, thus it’s more “dangerous”....
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Woo, did you say there's no grandfather clause?
So this is a turn them in or else deal?
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Yes, turn them in with no compensation or else 10 years in the slammer.
And people wonder why our government has no credibility.
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Fuck the feds! Everybody should just say come and get them motherfuckers!
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Yes, turn them in with no compensation or else 10 years in the slammer.
And people wonder why our government has no credibility.
2A advocates should be making it clearly known that it's under these terms, and that any "buyback" would be too!
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:17 PM   #88
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The lawsuit against this legislation will probably reach the SCOTUS. No idea how they will rule. Evidence seems to be in favor of bump stocks being legal. I haven't seen any new laws (that probably would be unconstitutional)?
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I will say i could care less...but the fact the NRA was all for this is disconcerning
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I will say i could care less...but the fact the NRA was all for this is disconcerning
I'm going to guess the reason the NRA was for this was purely political to show the other side, see we care about safety. We all know the majority of gun owners can care less about bump stocks since they are relatively useless for accurate shooting and you can bump fire a gun without one anyway. It still doesn't address the slippery slope.
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That was arm braces. And it just highlights how stupid SBR laws are
SBR and suppressor laws are both absurd. I love how commonplace AR "pistols" are now. That wasn't the case 3 years ago

I bet this gets overturned
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SBR and suppressor laws are both absurd. I love how commonplace AR "pistols" are now. That wasn't the case 3 years ago

I bet this gets overturned

Until a shooting happens when a pistol variant is used....


Then it'll be "see they skirted the SBR laws with this "brace" and it made it too easily concealed which caused the deaths of these people....


You have 90 days to turn in all pistol variants or you're now a felon.
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Pistol variants are unnecessary. Why would you need a rifle that small? They're just a gimmick anyway, better turn them in.
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The lawsuit against this legislation will probably reach the SCOTUS. No idea how they will rule. Evidence seems to be in favor of bump stocks being legal. I haven't seen any new laws (that probably would be unconstitutional)?
What's interesting is that this could be more of a test of Chevron Deference than 2A tbh.
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Pistol variants are unnecessary. Why would you need a rifle that small? They're just a gimmick anyway, better turn them in.

And @Lead Pipe will say "I don't own a pistol variant so what do I care? I'm waiting for the bigger battle..."


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I also don’t understand how they can tell you something is banned and require that you get rid of it but do not compensate for the loss of property
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And @Lead Pipe will say "I don't own a pistol variant so what do I care? I'm waiting for the bigger battle..."


100% accurate. Why does anyone need to turn a sporting rifle into an assault pistol?

I also don't modify my guns so ban binary triggers for all I care.
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I also don't modify my guns so ban binary triggers for all I care.

No sights?



No trigger?



No trigger work?


Nothing you built yourself with the best components possible?


What about if they say only 5 round magazines, you turning in all the ones you have now?



Again, I would agree that binary triggers are dumb and I would never use one personally, but once they go after those, how soon until they go after all aftermarket triggers?
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No sights?



No trigger?



No trigger work?


Nothing you built yourself with the best components possible?


What about if they say only 5 round magazines, you turning in all the ones you have now?



Again, I would agree that binary triggers are dumb and I would never use one personally, but once they go after those, how soon until they go after all aftermarket triggers?
My response is tongue in cheek. I'm kind of sick of typing the same response. You guys are acting like the bumpstock was the first thing politicians tried to ban and now that they succeeded, everything is doomed. Ever heard of the Brady Bill? When was the last time you had to wait 5 days after purchase to pick up your gun? Do you not support any background checks?
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maybe this isn't your thread @fudd pipe
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