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Old 03-06-2018, 10:26 PM   #51
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And people who somehow have guns stolen 3 separate instances in a 2 year period might not be the "good guy" gun owner and are giving everyone else a bad name.
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I believe him saying "might not" means of course there might be circumstances where they're legitimately having a problem with theft, but odds are they're essentially straw purchasers "being robbed" of their firearms.

I don't think it's too much to ask to make sure your guns aren't easily put into the hands of someone who shouldn't have them.

As @Outlaw said though, agree to disagree, you're not going to change your mind, and those of us who think its not too much to ask to secure your firearms better (especially after being robbed a second time before you get your third strike) wont likely change ours.
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I would pay good money to see someone steal a 600LB safe. It will take 3-4 guys, probably more, a big truck and a lot of time to do so. NOT saying it cannot be done, but, please, don't be naive and think someone can walk right into your house and leave with it JUST LIKE THAT.

I am all for this.
Not starting an argument here but 2 guys can do it with a small truck or van.
We deal with fire files all the time at work and they are about 1200lbs. I send 2 guys to deliver or move them all the time.
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Not starting an argument here but 2 guys can do it with a small truck or van.
We deal with fire files all the time at work and they are about 1200lbs. I send 2 guys to deliver or move them all the time.
Not an argument at all, but, I will counter with: I work in a warehouse environment which involves moving heavy machinery.

IF they had the right equipment, sure. But, I see multiple obstacles from stealing from a wide open warehouse, like yours, to a house which has tight turns, stairs, etc. It will take them more than a few minutes to get their equipment, locate the safe, carry it out, etc.

Your average burglar is not rolling around with dollies, pallet jacks or any form of lifting equipment.
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I support this bill. However I see a lot of mentions of "straw purchases" in this thread.
I'm sure that still happens but not nearly as much as it used too.
Most of these guns are coming from freight trains and down south.
Dont quote me on this but I want to say its Mississippi/Arkansas or somewhere near or around there. You can buy guns at flea markets and or gun shows with no questions asked. Tons of guns on the streets of Chgo are coming from there.
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I support this bill. However I see a lot of mentions of "straw purchases" in this thread.
I'm sure that still happens but not nearly as much as it used too.
Most of these guns are coming from freight trains and down south.
Dont quote me on this but I want to say its Mississippi/Arkansas or somewhere near or around there. You can buy guns at flea markets and or gun shows with no questions asked. Tons of guns on the streets of Chgo are coming from there.
In my opinion, yes and no.

Most of the guns on the street are stolen guns from stores and other means.

Straw purchases are getting harder and harder and since it will be a serious crime if you purchase and are caught with an unregistered firearm, you will do serious time and pay hefty fines.

My Father, before my Step-Mother passed away last year, ran a small gun auction raffle deal in WI. They had steps to avoid straw purchases from vendors. If you won or bought a gun, they would have it held, wait for the proper background checks and paperwork to be filled out before releasing the firearm to you. It's not hard, but, it takes extra steps to ensure you're not selling illegally.

Either way, my Wife and I go to extra steps to protect our valuables. If someone here is upset that they are being told if they lose their gun or are robbed "x" amount of times in a year because of their negligence, that's on them. Me? I care about my shit and all about gun safety and storage and not making things easy for criminals to perform acts of crime, in this case, stealing my guns.
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The problem is straw purchasers that are caught get a slap on the wrist at most. They really need to do mandatory minimums for any crime involving a gun, including carrying an illegal firearm.

None of the gang bangers give a shit about carrying an illegal gun because theyre back on the street in months.

On top of that, charge them with the theft of the firearm if it was one reported stolen. I don't care who they bought it from, if it comes back as stolen you're the person getting busted for the theft of it.
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None of the gang bangers give a shit about carrying an illegal gun because theyre back on the street in days.

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As @Outlaw said though, agree to disagree, you're not going to change your mind, and those of us who think its not too much to ask to secure your firearms better (especially after being robbed a second time before you get your third strike) wont likely change ours.
I thought it made almost too much sense but I guess if your stuff is flying willy nilly out of your house I guess itís 200% the result of your environment and none of yours.
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You guys are sounding like the people on CNN over here.
And you’re starting to sound like someone that doesn’t want any personal responsibility. Tit for tat

Serious question, I’m curious as to what real-life experiences you’ve had that would make you feel personally concerned about your FOID being revoked? How many guns have you had lost or stolen?
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^^^ ROFL!

"Officer, it wasn't my fault the guy came into MY house and took MY gun and killed someone using MY gun.".

Officer: "Sir, where was your gun stored?

Idiot Gun Owner " It was in my nightstand underneath a pair of socks and TV remotes"

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And you’re starting to sound like someone that doesn’t want any personal responsibility. Tit for tat

Serious question, I’m curious as to what real-life experiences you’ve had that would make you feel personally concerned about your FOID being revoked? How many guns have you had lost or stolen?
Where did I say I dont want to or dont? Not everyone can afford a safe. I personally have not had to worry about issues with losing my FOID luckily. Im pretty sure others here have had bullshit happen that called for their FOID temporarily though.

For the sake of safety though.

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"Officer, it wasn't my fault the guy came into MY house and took MY gun and killed someone using MY gun.".

Officer: "Sir, where was your gun stored?

Idiot Gun Owner " It was in my nightstand underneath a pair of socks and TV remotes"

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So locked behind your doors in your house isnt good enough? It should be, but you make it sound like if shit happens, its your fault. I am still searching where it says you need to own a safe in order to buy a gun in the second amendment. Hell, in your case it was hidden and sounds like the place was ransacked, but the gun owner is an idiot. You serious Clark?

Finally, a reason why I wont support this. Give up something, and they keep taking.

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Where did I say I dont want to or dont? Not everyone can afford a safe. I personally have not had to worry about issues with losing my FOID luckily. Im pretty sure others here have had bullshit happen that called for their FOID temporarily though.

For the sake of safety though.



So locked behind your doors in your house isnt good enough? It should be, but you make it sound like if shit happens, its your fault. I am still searching where it says you need to own a safe in order to buy a gun in the second amendment. Hell, in your case it was hidden and sounds like the place was ransacked, but the gun owner is an idiot. You serious Clark?

Finally, a reason why I wont support this. Give up something, and they keep taking.

You can get a basic single pistol safe for under $100 and bolt it to something so that it cannot be just taken so easily.

It is not listed that a safe is required.

Let me ask you this - You have a CCW right? You took the class?

What exactly did they teach you about gun storage and transportation.

Do you honestly think just because it is behind closed doors in your home you're still not responsible? Dude, you bought a gun. Take the measures to keep it safer than under your sockies and undies. Take responsibility for what you own. A Lawyer will NOT care that someone broke into your house.

This is the same thing as having kids and not locking up your firearm. Who would be responsible if it was "hidden" in an underwear drawer, but, kids being kids, found it and shot someone. You would, that's who.

Shit happens, but, ultimately, the owner is responsible.
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Just to add to my point. Owning a gun is a responsibility and a privilege.

Same as driving a car.

Let me ask you guys against having to secure your gun somehow, albeit in a safe, locked drawer, etc. while at home.

Driving is a privilege, right?

So, if you get a DUI three times in two years, and your license is revoked, are you going to bitch and moan about the consequence? Same concept here. If your gun is stolen or lost, it shows you're irresponsible to some extent, even if you feel that a burglary is out of your control, you should lose your rights to own one if it keeps happening.
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Just to add to my point. Owning a gun is a privilege.
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yea... he lost me there.
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The RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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which is ultimately why i voted "jellyfish" in the poll...

because on one hand, i get it... if you lose your gun somehow 3 times in that time period, you're a fucking dickfor.

but.

what happens when that "one guy"- the super unlucky one, who's shit has been broken into, get's his weapon taken from him and can no longer defend himself and his family.

i have friend's who's homes have been broken into. it's not fucking cool.

and if you think some <~$100 bolted down safe is going to prevent shitty terrible people from stealing your firearm, i think you are severly mistaken.
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@Grabber I get what you are saying and we don’t need a lesson on personal responsibility, the reality is that we must look at the big picture here and this is a fight between us responsible gun owners and those who want to infringe on people's rights.

In my opinion it is essential that we do not give in on anything under the current climate, I believe that it’s all about timing and had something like this been brought up at time when they aren’t trying to take advantage of a tragedy I would be more open to discuss it.
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which is ultimately why i voted "jellyfish" in the poll...

because on one hand, i get it... if you lose your gun somehow 3 times in that time period, you're a fucking dickfor.

but.

what happens when that "one guy"- the super unlucky one, who's shit has been broken into, get's his weapon taken from him and can no longer defend himself and his family.

i have friend's who's homes have been broken into. it's not fucking cool.

and if you think some <~$100 bolted down safe is going to prevent shitty terrible people from stealing your firearm, i think you are severly mistaken.

AND THEN

the libertarian in me hates the thought of more laws instantly.


THEY DON'T FUCKING PROPERLY ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY
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Sorry for the mis-wording. It is a right above all else.
@Yaj Yak - You said it. If you keep losing your gun, you're a moron.

But, measures CAN be taken to avoid burglar's from stealing your weapon.

I support responsible gun owner, as I am overly protective of all of my several weapons.

The point I am trying to make, is not MAKE IT EASY for criminals. LOCK YOUR SHIT UP.

I know it can be easy to steal a bolted down safe. But, it will slow them down, perhaps long enough for them to give up, or, get caught. Just saying.
@IZZy - I understand. I hate the fact that we, responsible gun owners are constantly being thrown under the bus. But, I do not believe this goes against the responsible ones. This goes against the ones that don't care if their gun is stolen or lost and do not make any effort to prevent that from happening.
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I feel it could happen, I guess I’m just lucky I don’t live an an area where I worry about people breaking into my house, but I do have a huge heavy as fuck safe because there’s probably 20k worth of guns in it and I’m not taking the chance, if a couple crack heads could carry that away without getting attacked by my dog and shot first I’d be more than impressed
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