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Old 12-21-2016, 08:39 AM   #26
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For such a gun loving state, New Mexico doesn't have much to offer around the Albuquerque area for rentals. I am just going to the main place in town and shooting all of their full sized 9mm handguns. If I like something enough, I am sure I will end up with something today. If not, I will just buy a bunch of shotgun ammo and targets and have fun anyways.
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@Eagle do you hear of many NDs with the lack of safety switches or is the finger the best safety? Definitely a good point about high stress scenarios. I think it was my buddies XD that had the handle type safety where you have to have a solid grip for the safety to be disengaged. I didn't mind that at all.
The four rules are the best safety! The actual safety switch is just another step/complication in the process of creating a BANG that needs to be managed.
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I do not own a gun with a safety other than a hinged trigger. It's all about being comfortable with your fire arm. Walk around the house and holster draw with your gun unloaded but in battery. That helped me out a lot. I have also never done a trigger job on any of my pistols I carry. If shit ever hits that fan I guarantee you won't know the difference between a 4# and 6# trigger and won't care about creep or take up. Also I only carry stock firearms because I don't want the weapon to ever incriminate me if I ever had to use it in a self defense scenario.

Your best bet it to take a ride up to Marengo guns. They have a huge selection on the wall so you can play with the ones you listed and see how they feel. Great prices too.
I too abide by this rule, but after years of speaking to people about it, it seems its more a fallacy than anything. Regardless, my 19 is bone stock. My 43 has a +2 mag extension for a 8+1 capacity, connector (which significantly improved the trigger) and night sights - its also my go to carry gun for its weight and size.

However, take up and trigger pull weight has a lot to do with accuracy and time to place additional shots - so it shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed.
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I too abide by this rule, but after years of speaking to people about it, it seems its more a fallacy than anything. Regardless, my 19 is bone stock. My 43 has a +2 mag extension for a 8+1 capacity, connector (which significantly improved the trigger) and night sights - its also my go to carry gun for its weight and size.

However, take up and trigger pull weight has a lot to do with accuracy and time to place additional shots - so it shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed.
It is hard to find any actual proof of this but there are stories out there. Like the cop who used his personal AR with a "Kill em All" laser engraved dust cover and it was used against him. Better safe than sorry I guess.

I know what a smother trigger will do but when you factor in that most confrontations take place at close quarters and it's very hard to train at the adrenaline levels that you will be experiencing, I think a stock trigger with decent training will suffice. Your fine motor skills will be so diminished that you won't be able to tell what your trigger pull is. Just my opinion though, I pray I never have to put that to the test.
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As you are checking out 9mm handguns, also look at the Beretta 92FS.
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Picked up and felt a handful of guns today. TBH, the best feeling gun to me was the H&K vp9. Thoughts on that gun? I read about some reliability issues when dirty outside. Trigger felt decent enough, but the gun fit my hand perfect.
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Picked up and felt a handful of guns today. TBH, the best feeling gun to me was the H&K vp9. Thoughts on that gun? I read about some reliability issues when dirty outside. Trigger felt decent enough, but the gun fit my hand perfect.


If you're thinking HK and a 9mm. P30. Costs more but it's a bit nicer. You can get a LEM trigger which the gun has no safety and a law enforcement trigger. Also A manual safety and a decocker option.
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should have came home and i would have let you try out a 226. iv'e owned it for a couple of months and i haven't even shot it myself. lol.

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If you're thinking HK and a 9mm. P30. Costs more but it's a bit nicer. You can get a LEM trigger which the gun has no safety and a law enforcement trigger. Also A manual safety and a decocker option.
They did have a p30 there, but I couldn't justify the price and I was hesitant to get a sa/da gun as I liked a more simple striker fire action for my first handgun.


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should have came home and i would have let you try out a 226. iv'e owned it for a couple of months and i haven't even shot it myself. lol.

That would have been a worthwhile trip home. I really wanted to shoot that gun but they didn't have one I could rent. Also, dat price tag made my wallet hurt. But, that felt sweet to hold. Solid ass gun.
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As you're holding these guns, do you test trigger pull and reset?
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As you're holding these guns, do you test trigger pull and reset?
I did for every one that I can remember. I am not a pro with handguns by any stretch. An amateur at best. So, what I enjoyed was based purely off of subjective "feel good" ideas. But, I enjoyed the crisp break with a noticeable reset overall.

The VP9 I picked up has great ergonomics, as they say, and had a nice crisp break IMO compared to the glock 17 and m&p that were in the top contenders for me. The reset might be a hair longer on the HK, but not to the point that it bothered me more than the trigger pull of the glock or the in hand feel of the m&p. Out of all of the guns I shot, I shot the best with the glock. I took a leap of faith on the HK as that is the only one in contention that wasn't available for rent. But I substituted the Walther PPQ as it seemd about the same size as the HK and similar molded grip. I enjoyed shooting that gun a good bit, but still leaned toward the HK as far as feel goes.

I want to go shoot it today as I detailed and cleaned her last night, but my luck is that we have been having freezing rain all fucking day. Will most likely say fuck it and go have some fun though. Just need to motivate myself to go out in this bullshit. The place I got the gun from has an indoor range and gave me two free indoor visits for buying the gun there. Probably a better option.
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Definitely shot best with the glock out of all of the guns I tried. But, what I didn't like is how the shells kept ejecting toward the top of my head. Don't know why, by that was the only gun that I had that issue with.
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Were you in a booth? A lot of the time, shells eject backward and high in a Glock, which makes them bounce off the walls and hit you.
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Definitely shot best with the glock out of all of the guns I tried. But, what I didn't like is how the shells kept ejecting toward the top of my head. Don't know why, by that was the only gun that I had that issue with.
Rental pistol? Glock 19? I know some of the early Gen 4 Glock 19's had brass to the face ejection issues. This was corrected later in the run of Gen4's. My Gen 4 G19 has ran flawlessly with no brass to the face.
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VP9 is a solid gun for its egro and trigger, but read up on it. They have melting issues and don't handle debris very well.

Glock all day, my man! The G17 is a perfect gun, IMO.
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Were you in a booth? A lot of the time, shells eject backward and high in a Glock, which makes them bounce off the walls and hit you.
Yup, in a booth. It could have been bouncing off of the wall, but it felt like it was ejecting straight onto the top of my head. Not 100% without someone being there to see.

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VP9 is a solid gun for its egro and trigger, but read up on it. They have melting issues and don't handle debris very well.

Glock all day, my man! The G17 is a perfect gun, IMO.
I read up on it about the best I could via googling. I did see how the slide gets warmer, but there is a pretty low chance I will shoot that many rounds through it at once to get it that hot to melt the stock. If I was going competition, I would have gone with a different gun for sure. I bet I get one more clip for this totaling 3, so I won't be putting through a bunch of rounds before the gun gets to cool down from reloading. Plus, I am broke as fuck and couldn't afford to throw that much ammo at the gun that fast.

The debris issue is something that weighed heavily on me. There is mainly one video in particular that the VP9 didn't do so hot in his torture test...actually it sucked. After thinking about it though, it isn't a combat pistol and I won't be going to combat with it. I most definitely won't be throwing it in a muddy sandy puddle and stepping on it grinding it into the earth. That test reminded me of the 1/2 ton torture test over those rumble strips. The chances of me going 30mph over a series of speed bumps in my Tundra is zero.

The gun will be inside for home defense and used for fun target practice. Both pretty controlled environments that I will not be grinding a bunch of grit into it. The roughest environment this will see is when I go hiking or camping in the wilderness. If I fall down it will most likely be in a dry rocky/dusty environment and the gun would be in its holster (which I still need to decide what to get, leaning toward safariland).

There just isn't any way that I could justify that torture test applying to me and how I am going to use it. If I fall down in a Louisiana swamp and my wife steps on me throwing me deeper into the mud causing the gun to fail, I always carry my 5" fixed blade PKS knife on my belt while I am hiking. I welcome all challengers hand to hand with that piece of steel.
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I would argue this was a way less harsh test than he did for the VP9. Any mechanical item can be made to fail. Glocks are solid guns for sure and they still had difficulty in this controlled test. I am not convinced that there is any real world civilian situation these tests apply to.



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Seems like you're leaning away from the 1911 now, but I had the same dilemma when I got my first handgun. I really like the 1911, and will own one someday, but for my bump in the night gun I wanted something with more rounds. Ended up with a XDM chambered in .45 and a 4.5 barrel. I love it and everyone who's shot it has done well. If you've done well with a Glock then maybe that's what's best for you. Personally, I can't stand them, but can't knock their reliability. Get what's comfortable to you and is from a reliable manufacturer.
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Yup, in a booth. It could have been bouncing off of the wall, but it felt like it was ejecting straight onto the top of my head. Not 100% without someone being there to see.







Yeah, it was a g19. Might be the issue.









I read up on it about the best I could via googling. I did see how the slide gets warmer, but there is a pretty low chance I will shoot that many rounds through it at once to get it that hot to melt the stock. If I was going competition, I would have gone with a different gun for sure. I bet I get one more clip (***MAGAZINE***!) for this totaling 3, so I won't be putting through a bunch of rounds before the gun gets to cool down from reloading. Plus, I am broke as fuck and couldn't afford to throw that much ammo at the gun that fast.

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Pretty much how I went about it.
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