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Old 09-02-2014, 02:25 PM   #1
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so im in the market for a new trigger in my M&P15t but don't know which one to go with. im no professional shooter nor do i compete in competitions, im just your avg joe that likes to shoot holes in shit. so im wondering which trigger i should go with. im leaning towards the CMC trigger due to price but am wanting TCG reviews and opinions on which one to get.
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RRA 2-stage is my go-to at right around $110. Never felt the need for anything more even after using CMC/Geissele/etc. Typical a 4.5-5lb break with no creep.
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I have the SSA in my patrol rifle and the SSA-E in my SIG 716 and long range AR. You will absolutely love a two stage trigger.

If you are looking for something a little cheaper check out the Geissele G2S. Basically the same as the SSA but without the fancy markings. I believe AIM surplus has them on pre-order for $109 right now. You can find them for around $140
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Geissele SSA-E

I have a SD3G in my 308, but might go back to a 2 stage geissele, the 3 gun has literally no break.
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Preorder for the Geisselle GS2. $110 shipped while they have them. /thread

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I actually just ordered that G2S for my pistol. I tried to resist but it is such a good deal....lol
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Well. Guess I'm ordering the G2S as well. Thanks guys!
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yup, order placed via aimsurplus

now im at a delima....do i go ahead and order 1 for my arpistol and 1 for my 716...haha
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I have the RRA 2 stage trigger and it is great. I don't need a featherweight trigger pull so the other more expensive options didn't appeal to me. The $110 Geiselle triggers that I see people posting about in here are the exact same design as the RRA ones. Both are completely competent triggers in an AR that also won't break the bank.
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I actually just ordered that G2S for my pistol. I tried to resist but it is such a good deal....lol
does your order status say "pending verification" also? they haven't took the money out of my account yet so i went to look at my status and is says "pending verification"?
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does your order status say "pending verification" also? they haven't took the money out of my account yet so i went to look at my status and is says "pending verification"?
Mine says processing. So not sure, maybe give them a call if it still says that.
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They said it's because it's my first order. They also told me they now have them in Stock and will be shipping tomorrow or the next day, also said they were almost sold out, so of course I placed another order so my sig716 didn't feel left out. Haha
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Mine says processing. So not sure, maybe give them a call if it still says that.
Mine shipped yesterday. Gotta love good ole' AIM. This is a deal and a half. Now I gotta save for the TAVOR trigger.

Also, this one's going in my Palmetto CHF 14.5 pinned to 16 with BCM KMR build in Stealth Grey. KMR just got back from Marvin Pitts and was cerakoted to match!
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Mine shipped yesterday. Gotta love good ole' AIM. This is a deal and a half. Now I gotta save for the TAVOR trigger.

Also, this one's going in my Palmetto CHF 14.5 pinned to 16 with BCM KMR build in Stealth Grey. KMR just got back from Marvin Pitts and was cerakoted to match!
Mine shipped to! Woo Woo! Hell of a deal!
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mine also shipped! went back today to purchase one for my pistol build and it was sold out! damn it, i hate being so indecisive, i couldn't decide the other day if i wanted one for the pistol or not.
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RRA 2-stage is my go-to at right around $110. Never felt the need for anything more even after using CMC/Geissele/etc. Typical a 4.5-5lb break with no creep.
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I have the RRA 2 stage trigger and it is great. I don't need a featherweight trigger pull so the other more expensive options didn't appeal to me. The $110 Geiselle triggers that I see people posting about in here are the exact same design as the RRA ones. Both are completely competent triggers in an AR that also won't break the bank.
I have the RRA 2-Stage national match in a rifle. It was a very okay trigger when it was new. After about 1 thousand rounds I noticed the trigger was no where near as crisp as it was when it was new.

The sear engagement surfaces wore down unevenly and caused the trigger to "slip" at the very end of the second stage. I see no reason to pick up a RRA NM trigger when lower end Geissele triggers are only a little bit more yet provide a MUCH better feel and durability.
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Got the G2S today and just installed it in my pistol lower. Damn that was a killer deal for this trigger.
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I have the RRA 2-Stage national match in a rifle. It was a very okay trigger when it was new. After about 1 thousand rounds I noticed the trigger was no where near as crisp as it was when it was new.

The sear engagement surfaces wore down unevenly and caused the trigger to "slip" at the very end of the second stage. I see no reason to pick up a RRA NM trigger when lower end Geissele triggers are only a little bit more yet provide a MUCH better feel and durability.

I don't know what to tell ya. I have had mine for a few years now and it has continued to work perfect. Perhaps you are too picky.

While we are on the topic of having the best and brightest in triggers: On an indirectly related note, shooters, especially new ones, get too caught up in having the best and the brightest things nowadays rather than actually practicing to attain a level of real marksmanship. Sure, a shiny new trigger with a .002 oz break, zero creep and uber crisp reset are nice to have, but aren't needed unless you are shooting long range (not any of that candyass 300-400 yard shit). I see too much of a mall ninja mentality, even when it comes to more justifiable upgrades like triggers. There is a lot that you can accomplish with even stock triggers, so there's no need for people to get on a soap box if someone else doesn't buy the "latest and greatest" in upgrades. Learn to shoot first, then upgrade. If you don't hit your target then blame yourself, not the lack of a fancy scope, trigger, picatinny rail or super locking collapsible stock. It seems to me that the focus isn't where it should be, which is on the shooter their self. Its all about the equipment these days, rather than the skill.
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I don't know what to tell ya. I have had mine for a few years now and it has continued to work perfect. Perhaps you are too picky.

While we are on the topic of having the best and brightest in triggers: On an indirectly related note, shooters, especially new ones, get too caught up in having the best and the brightest things nowadays rather than actually practicing to attain a level of real marksmanship. Sure, a shiny new trigger with a .002 oz break, zero creep and uber crisp reset are nice to have, but aren't needed unless you are shooting long range (not any of that candyass 300-400 yard shit). I see too much of a mall ninja mentality, even when it comes to more justifiable upgrades like triggers. There is a lot that you can accomplish with even stock triggers, so there's no need for people to get on a soap box if someone else doesn't buy the "latest and greatest" in upgrades. Learn to shoot first, then upgrade. If you don't hit your target then blame yourself, not the lack of a fancy scope, trigger, picatinny rail or super locking collapsible stock. It seems to me that the focus isn't where it should be, which is on the shooter their self. Its all about the equipment these days, rather than the skill.

I completely agree with you. Most upgrades will not "make" a person a better shooter. Practice is what makes you better.

BUT.............. As an avid shooter something like a trigger can really enhance your accuracy and experience.
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BUT.............. As an avid shooter something like a trigger can really enhance your accuracy and experience.

I agree that a better trigger may make a difference for an avid shooter who has already developed marksmanship skills that allow them to use the weapon to its full potential. For new shooters it just isn't needed yet since the gun can still outshoot the shooter. It is bothersome when new folks spend hundreds on all these upgrades when they should have first invested it into ammo and shooting experience; and then they wonder why they cannot hit shit with a $3,000 rifle with all the techno-gizmos. People don't become instant snipers because they put accessories on a rifle. Perhaps my thoughts are on a little bit of a tangent from this thread, but netchemica's response about the trigger not being as "perfect" as he wanted it to be just touched that thought off in me since most people posting in these AR threads don't have much marksmanship experience and don't shoot benchrest long distance where 100% perfect triggers are useful and needed.
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I don't know what to tell ya. I have had mine for a few years now and it has continued to work perfect. Perhaps you are too picky.
They don't deteriorate with time, they deteriorate when you use your rifle. Come back once you fire more than 1,000 rounds through that gun.

"too picky"

My bad, I though that spending $100+ on a trigger would give me a consistent break for a reasonable amount of time. Especially one that calls itself a "national match" trigger.

If you want a consistent quality break for an affordable price, pick up an ALG trigger: Advanced Combat Trigger (ACT)

If you want a quality a 2 stage trigger, that won't have a break that resembles a wet loaf of stale bread after only 1k rounds, pick up a Geissele. It's not about being picky, it's about expecting quality performance round after round. FCGs aren't supposed to be an expendable component of a firearm.

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While we are on the topic of having the best and brightest in triggers: On an indirectly related note, shooters, especially new ones, get too caught up in having the best and the brightest things nowadays rather than actually practicing to attain a level of real marksmanship. Sure, a shiny new trigger with a .002 oz break, zero creep and uber crisp reset are nice to have, but aren't needed unless you are shooting long range (not any of that candyass 300-400 yard shit). I see too much of a mall ninja mentality, even when it comes to more justifiable upgrades like triggers. There is a lot that you can accomplish with even stock triggers, so there's no need for people to get on a soap box if someone else doesn't buy the "latest and greatest" in upgrades. Learn to shoot first, then upgrade. If you don't hit your target then blame yourself, not the lack of a fancy scope, trigger, picatinny rail or super locking collapsible stock. It seems to me that the focus isn't where it should be, which is on the shooter their self. Its all about the equipment these days, rather than the skill.
Nobody here is saying that you NEED an expensive trigger to have a precise rifle, but when someone is looking to upgrade their FCG, at least recommend something quality.
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I agree that a better trigger may make a difference for an avid shooter who has already developed marksmanship skills that allow them to use the weapon to its full potential. For new shooters it just isn't needed yet since the gun can still outshoot the shooter. It is bothersome when new folks spend hundreds on all these upgrades when they should have first invested it into ammo and shooting experience; and then they wonder why they cannot hit shit with a $3,000 rifle with all the techno-gizmos. People don't become instant snipers because they put accessories on a rifle. Perhaps my thoughts are on a little bit of a tangent from this thread, but netchemica's response about the trigger not being as "perfect" as he wanted it to be just touched that thought off in me since most people posting in these AR threads don't have much marksmanship experience and don't shoot benchrest long distance where 100% perfect triggers are useful and needed.
It's not about being a gear queer, it's about spending a lot of money for a trigger and not getting consistent performance, especially considering that quality trigger groups are not that much more expensive.

But don't just take my word for it...
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Not many members here will recommend them.

The Geiselle trigger groups, on the other hand, are highly recommended.

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I still use a RRA 2-stage on both of my rifles. It's very crisp. It works as advertised.

But for how long? Most issues people seem to have with them is after 3k - 5k rounds, they get mushy and sloppy. I've even read a story where a guy had the hammer snap in half on him.

So, I guess I'm saying, I'm cautiously optimistic about mine. I like them, but I don't have 5k+ through either rifle yet. (I have pretty close to 3k through one, no issues)
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I started with a mil-spec single stage, then got an RRA 2 stage trigger. It lasted me about 70 rounds before I pulled it out and put the GI trigger back in and sold the RRA on craigslist. That is an abortion of a trigger when compared with the Geissele SSA and others. I then bought a Geissele and now I will never own another trigger. I even bought another SSA just to put in my .22 last week because I love it so much.

Listen to Trident, Geissele can't be beat in this category. They are truly top notch.
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I personally had a RRA NM trigger crap out on me in less than 1k rounds. First it became mushy and lost its first stage and then it began double firing on me. I've since gone with a Geiselle SD-E and I can easily say this trigger is worlds apart from the RRA.
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I agree that a better trigger may make a difference for an avid shooter who has already developed marksmanship skills that allow them to use the weapon to its full potential. For new shooters it just isn't needed yet since the gun can still outshoot the shooter. It is bothersome when new folks spend hundreds on all these upgrades when they should have first invested it into ammo and shooting experience; and then they wonder why they cannot hit shit with a $3,000 rifle with all the techno-gizmos. People don't become instant snipers because they put accessories on a rifle. Perhaps my thoughts are on a little bit of a tangent from this thread, but netchemica's response about the trigger not being as "perfect" as he wanted it to be just touched that thought off in me since most people posting in these AR threads don't have much marksmanship experience and don't shoot benchrest long distance where 100% perfect triggers are useful and needed.
i don't know if you are directing this at me personally for asking advice on a trigger... i am no marksmanship shooter, but i enjoy the hobby and i do not have a problem spending money on firearms because i can always resale for damn near the same price. I have done plenty of shooting and have owned plenty of guns, but no, i am still not perfect, nor will i ever be to the level of some of our members due to lack of time and funds. but ill tell you what, i fucking love shooting and plan to keep buying, and keep building because building my first AR was an awesome feeling and im already scoping out parts for the next build.

i guess i shouldn't own a 1,000cc motorcycle, or build race cars either because i never drive either to their potential. Just because someone isn't an expert at any certain hobby, doesn't mean they shouldn't seek something of quality.

*ps, im not being a badass here, just responding to your post, obviously it's impossible to tell emotion via the internet.
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oh yeah, the mail man delivered my triggers for my AR and my LR308, i tried to order one for my arpistol but they were sold out.

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oh yeah, the mail man delivered my triggers for my AR and my LR308, i tried to order one for my arpistol but they were sold out.

Glad I could help out. Mine's already in my pistol!
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