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Old 01-24-2012, 07:58 AM   #126
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From what I understand, the tune messes with the intake/exhaust VCT to give it the effect of a lope. Retard or advance the cams independent of each other and bam, the beauty of a 4V. No cam needed like you do with an LSx.
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:59 AM   #127
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Yep, the tune can play with the overlap... so you get the effect of having a big cam at idle, but over a certain % TPS it reverts back to stock profile and drives just like stock.
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Look into Shaun @ AED for his tunes. He is making great power and no issues with motors that I have heard of. His car with stock air box, clutch and shifter using only a air filter, mufflers, slicks and slight weight delete with race wheels has gone like 11.3x @ 124ish. Car is flying! Brian, ZXMustang that you talked to yesterday, has one of his "cam" tunes and says the seat of the pants feels like a huge improvement.








NOW HERE IS A WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!

Bama was tuning these cars with the knock sensors turned off and killed quite a few #8 pistons. Because of this Ford had a TSB report that was nicknamed the "Bama TSB". So Ford looks at the computer for aftermarket tunes if you have motor issues. These new computers are like black boxes. They remember every time you load a new tune. Now they can deny a warranty claim real easily. Now by law they have to prove the tune caused the issue. So you can try to fight a warranty denial. But that may be a huge hassle, cost time and money. and you may still loose. So take that into consideration when you think about ANY aftermarket part on the car. Especially one where a damaged motor could be denied.

That being said, The tunes are much better now. I doubt you will have an issue. You just have to decide if the risk versus benefit is worth it to you.
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Old 01-24-2012, 08:38 AM   #129
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Thanks, Pratt. I've heard about the 38 thing too. Not sure about the tune, just read about it and thought HMMM, wonder if that's for me!

Thanks for the feedback.
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I want a AED tune BAD! But I am not willing to loose the warranty at this point. haha I ordered the FRPP Pro-Cal yesterday. I have hear that is well worth it. And I have heard guys trapping 117-119 with it. Seems like a solid upgrade that when dealer installed ($100ish) you have the FRPP warranty as well.

Bama really fucked us by causing those issues and Ford to react to them.grrrr
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Old 01-24-2012, 08:59 AM   #131
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I thought that FRPP isn't an official Ford thing. As in a tune from there can void said warranty just the same? don't know if this is true or not.
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Not true. It is kind of complicated. haha Talk to your dealers service manager. They are trained in the warranty. There is a FRPP warranty. And the stock warranty still applies. Depends what fails and why. And just because you have a warranty does not mean they can't deny a claim. Even the stock warranty through Ford.

That being said, I had a buddy that had 5 transmissions replaced by ford under warranty. He rolled into the dealership with big-n-littles on the car, off road exhaust, nitrous hooked up and so on. So it works both ways I guess. hahaha
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haha, damn! point me in the direction of that dealer!

Fair enough though. Really, I have heard pretty much what you just said. Talk to your dealer. My place said some things would be OK as long as they installed it. Not sure how far they will go, but it never hurts to ask. They have their own dyno/performance shop attached to the dealership so they might let me go kinda far...pretty cool shit.
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Ya, There are laws in place that cover aftermarket pars versus manufactures and warranties. So they do have rules to play by. But when you get a major expense that they deny it can be a hassle to fight it. Plus cost money to do it. I think talking to your dealer and having a good repore with them helps for sure. Especially the service manager.
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FRPP Pro-Cal.... reading up now!
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:24 AM   #136
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http://www.fordracingparts.com/calibration

So what's this thing run price wise? It writes only FRPP tunes to the car?
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I would image only a few hundred. That FRPP kit is like mid 700 for mufflers, tuner, oil/air filter
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Not bad at all! Got a link to the full kit by any chance?
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Not bad at all! Got a link to the full kit by any chance?
Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12345

750+install for 16hp/7tq isn't fantastic, but it sounds like it fattens up the powerband quite a bit (up 60ft/lb of torque at 1500RPM)

The kit looks like it's just GT500 mufflers, an oil filter and a K+N Panel filter, so the tune must really make the difference...

Kit for my car has a $1200 MSRP, but I'm seeing them online for 900-1000 or so new...
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Yeah, Das. I've heard the peak #s aren't huge but it helps big time down low and really improves the overall driving experience.
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lol at sounding cammed and not gaining any actual power.
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lol at sounding cammed and not gaining any actual power.
I was thinking the same thing, wouldn't you want to keep the sound normal at idle at pick up the power like a cam would in the higher RPM, and not the other way around?
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Pretty sure you gain something, but it returns to a much more manageable duration rather than what a traditional radical cam would do... force you to always deal with the same profile. TI-VCT makes pretty much anything possible, all with just a tune.
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Yeah, Das. I've heard the peak #s aren't huge but it helps big time down low and really improves the overall driving experience.
The only real gripe I have with my mustangs drivetrain is the initial/tip-in throttle response, and the 5.0 I test drove was better, but still had the same issue. I always accredited that to it being a fairly cheap drive by wire car...

I'll have to poke around and see if that's addressed for my generation mustang in the FRPP kit... That alone would be damn near worth it IMO.
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Let me know what you find.
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What? The aftermarket tunes pick up BIG power. Shaun's car went 11.3x @ 124+mph with mufflers and K&N filter. 124mph with no engine mods. That is insane.

The FRPP Pro-Cal does not offer a "cam" tune. It is a revised tune that improves throttle response, increases peak number some but up to 60 ft/lbs. of torque more at 1500 rpm. That is A LOT for a simple revised tune. The under the curve power/torque and improved throttle response & drivability is what everyone with the Pro-Cal has said why it was worth it. Not near as much power as the aftermarket tunes but again, it is risk versus reward.

I bought the tuner and K&N for $289. Dealer charges $100ish to flash the tune onto the computer and register the car with the FRPP warranty. I plan to autocross and open track the car more than drag race. The extra torque will be nice as will the better driving manners. On track and on the street.
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Wait... Running almost 10s on just a tune? I haven't been keeping up with his thread.
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I bought the tuner and K&N for $289. Dealer charges $100ish to flash the tune onto the computer and register the car with the FRPP warranty. I plan to autocross and open track the car more than drag race. The extra torque will be nice as will the better driving manners. On track and on the street.


Pratt, you have the performance package w/Brembos on yours?
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What? The aftermarket tunes pick up BIG power. Shaun's car went 11.3x @ 124+mph with mufflers and K&N filter. 124mph with no engine mods. That is insane.

The FRPP Pro-Cal does not offer a "cam" tune. It is a revised tune that improves throttle response, increases peak number some but up to 60 ft/lbs. of torque more at 1500 rpm. That is A LOT for a simple revised tune. The under the curve power/torque and improved throttle response & drivability is what everyone with the Pro-Cal has said why it was worth it. Not near as much power as the aftermarket tunes but again, it is risk versus reward.
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Wait... Running almost 10s on just a tune? I haven't been keeping up with his thread.
LOL YEP ^^^^
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wtf do I own a cobra for it that's the case then?
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