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Old 05-16-2012, 02:03 AM   #1
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Default Calling all guys with fast Naturally Aspirated 4.6 Mustangs...

I have a friend of mine who has a nice looking LS2 GTO with the typical boltons and a cam that might require a re-education on what the 4.6 Mustangs are capable of. He is a nice guy and quite smart, but he somehow has it stuck in his head that, and I quote, "Stock for stock, we can pretty much destroy a 4.6 car". Overconfidence, to the point of delusion, irritates me regardless of whether the vehicle at hand is Ford, GM, Mopar, etc. So is there anyone local in here who can show this guy what a properly modded N/A 4.6 Mustang can do? Obviously a stock for stock comparo cannot be performed since he is already modded, but I figure a modded N/A to modded N/A run will be second best. He lives close to GLD so chances are likely that any races would take place up there, unless I can convince him to travel. It will be all in good fun.

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Ill have to agree with him.

A similar modded 3V would be a good race I would think, but a 2V, fuhgetaboutet!
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Ill have to agree with him.

A similar modded 3V would be a good race I would think, but a 2V, fuhgetaboutet!
No one mentioned him only talking about a 2v. It could be 2v, 3v, or 4v.

Besides, although not many, there are some N/A 2v street cars that would put a hurting on a mid/high 11 second GTO. While a rarity they do exist.
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For sure, but rare. A 4V would probably be your best bet against a cam LS powered car. Not saying it has to be only that, but lets call a spade a spade here. A NA 4.6 is going to have trouble keeping up with a cammed LS car with the same mods. Its only saving grace is that the car in question is a GTO, and not a Fbody or Vette.
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slow4.6 has a couple of cars that would probably hurt him.....
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Calling all guys with fast Naturally Aspirated 4.6 Mustangs...

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Isn't this title an oxymoron?
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Beat me to it lol
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Calling all guys with fast Naturally Aspirated 4.6 Mustangs...

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thats a lol right there. I didn't think "fast" and "NA 4.6" could be used in the same sentence.
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For sure, but rare. A 4V would probably be your best bet against a cam LS powered car. Not saying it has to be only that, but lets call a spade a spade here. A NA 4.6 is going to have trouble keeping up with a cammed LS car with the same mods. Its only saving grace is that the car in question is a GTO, and not a Fbody or Vette.
Agreed.

While there are certainly NA 4.6 cars that could take a Cammed LS2 GTO out, the vast majority of those contests will go to the LS2 car. Like Fish said, only the weight of the GTO even makes this a possibility.

A Mach 1 (very good driver) could put up a fight with a GTO stock for stock and likely modded vs. modded too. There might be a few guys on CMC that have the type of car you are looking for. Like somebody said, Slow 4.6 is the only guy that immediately comes to mind here. If you do find a car that could do it, it's going to be a more highly modded car than the GTO for sure.
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For sure, but rare. A 4V would probably be your best bet against a cam LS powered car. Not saying it has to be only that, but lets call a spade a spade here. A NA 4.6 is going to have trouble keeping up with a cammed LS car with the same mods. Its only saving grace is that the car in question is a GTO, and not a Fbody or Vette.
Oh I agree that a 4v would be the best bet; and that there aren't many examples of real strong N/A 4.6's because most of us making bigger power with 4.6's go forced induction on them.
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Agreed.

While there are certainly NA 4.6 cars that could take a Cammed LS2 GTO out, the vast majority of those contests will go to the LS2 car. Like Fish said, only the weight of the GTO even makes this a possibility.

A Mach 1 (very good driver) could put up a fight with a GTO stock for stock and likely modded vs. modded too. There might be a few guys on CMC that have the type of car you are looking for. Like somebody said, Slow 4.6 is the only guy that immediately comes to mind here. If you do find a car that could do it, it's going to be a more highly modded car than the GTO for sure.
I am not asking whether or not is it possible for a N/A 4.6 Mustang to take out a cammed/bolton LS2 car because I have seen it and have assisted in building one while stationed down south. It was an extremely strong N/A car that also has a direct port nitrous system I built for it in reserve in case he comes upon any seriously fast cars. Rare, yes. But they do exist. The question at hand is if any of you know of someone IN THIS AREA who has one that is capable of educating this guy I know.

The first person I thought of was Slow 4.6 too but didn't he get rid of his car or something?


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I am not asking whether or not is it possible for a N/A 4.6 Mustang to take out a cammed/bolton LS2 car because I have seen it and have assisted in building one while stationed down south. It was an extremely strong N/A car that also has a direct port nitrous system I built for it in reserve in case he comes upon any seriously fast cars. Rare, yes. But they do exist. The question at hand is if any of you know of someone IN THIS AREA who has one that is capable of educating this guy I know.

The first person I thought of was Slow 4.6 too but didn't he get rid of his car or something?
Like I mentioned, CMC is the most likely place to find the type of car you're looking for locally I would think. Not sure if Slow4.6 still has his car, but I believe he does since I've seen him discussing grudge racing on this site recently.

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And teege has a 3v not a 5.0
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And teege has a 3v not a 5.0
HAhahah. I should really look more closely! I just glanced at his sig and seen 2012 and Coyote. Now that I go back it is hard to miss that he has a S-197 3v. Thanks for the clarification.
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I also think this is going to be a bust. If he's on a tire it should run mid 11s and that's quite hard to do in a 2-3v even in the machs without a ton of work
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Good thing cammed GTOs are slow. Not being ironic but they always seem to under perform. Too much weight and not enough tire.

Definitely interested in hearing the results of whatever is set up.
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4.6's don't seem to fare well n/a put some forced induction on it mechanical or chemical they come right around
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I also think this is going to be a bust. If he's on a tire it should run mid 11s and that's quite hard to do in a 2-3v even in the machs without a ton of work
The main difference is that the Mustang owner will have to dig into the heads a bit to get the performance required to run middle 11's, on average. Some port work and milling the heads down to raise compression will help allot in addition to full boltons and mild weight reduction. While more involved than dropping a cam in and doing boltons on the LS2 it is still doable. Not many people build more serious N/A combos in the 4.6 because it is so much easier and cost affective to just keep it simple and do forced induction. That may be the popular method of modding the 4.6 Mustangs but it is also pretty cool to see a properly modded N/A one. The only problem with it is that usually people don't take their time to build a combo, rather than a collection of random good parts, and end up with a weak N/A car because of it. Both the LSx cars and the Modular 4.6 Mustangs can be made badass in N/A form; it's just that the Modular will be ALLOT more finicky about it.
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The main difference is that the Mustang owner will have to dig into the heads a bit to get the performance required to run middle 11's, on average. Some port work and milling the heads down to raise compression will help allot in addition to full boltons and mild weight reduction. While more involved than dropping a cam in and doing boltons on the LS2 it is still doable. Not many people build more serious N/A combos in the 4.6 because it is so much easier and cost affective to just keep it simple and do forced induction. That may be the popular method of modding the 4.6 Mustangs but it is also pretty cool to see a properly modded N/A one. The only problem with it is that usually people don't take their time to build a combo, rather than a collection of random good parts, and end up with a weak N/A car because of it. Both the LSx cars and the Modular 4.6 Mustangs can be made badass in N/A form; it's just that the Modular will be ALLOT more finicky about it.
Yep, the low compression that most of them came with is the whole issue with them performing N/A and why SC'ing them is such a natural modding progression.
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you were talking about bolt on to bolt on re working the heads is a little more than bolt ons
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