thanks to outlaw40 and mike of devo 2ing. yeah i know the jeep is dirty but it's worthless to wash for pictures specially at this crappy weather. it's a 4.5" lift but feel like a 6" lift. when the springs settle it should drop a bit. tires are 31 x 10.5 x 15. i think the tires are too small for lift. plan to install 33 x 12.5 x 15 in the spring. have someone local that will help out, his jeep is in the picture. he's running the same tires that i plan to install also he have the same lift height as me.