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Old 01-06-2018, 08:52 PM   #1
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In this post we'll discuss the best car ever made. And after we're done talking about the 1989 Grand Marquis we'll discuss the Tesla Model 3!

The more I read about this the more I think we've got a really big problem. Actually, Tesla has a really big problem. Unless your only metric of importance is brutal acceleration the Model 3 is a better car than the S and half the price.

It's smaller and more efficient, it apparently has more rear head room and better ergonomics, it's has more range than the S75 and modestly less than the S100 and it has a better interior.

And now Tesla, presumably understanding of the pickle they've got themselves into, is actively trying to undersell the car. They asked the EPA to lower the range of the high capacity battery car from 334 to 310. The former is just 6 miles off of the big daddy Model S 100D.

And now the one metric I was actually concerned about - performance - was put to bed today when it was revealed that they're also lying about the 0-60 time. What was supposed to be 5.1 seconds to 60 is actually 4.6 seconds. Quarter mile? 13.3 seconds. We're not talking supercar performance here but we are dealing with an objectively quick car, especially when you consider that the performance variant won't be introduced until next year.
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Sounds like this little guy could be quite the game changer!
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My son is obsessed with Tesla’s . He keeps bugging me to go test drive one. When we go to Meijer he makes me drive by the charging g stations to see if any are there. With this model maybe the wife will want one.
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It sounds like they should be pushing the model 3 if this is the case. They could sell larger volumes and have more of the market with that fun of a vehicle at that price point. People will still buy the sedans
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Now all they have to do is build more than 492 of them
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Cool! A thread where I can get my Tesla 3 info.

Ha Ha that the manufacturer is downplaying the car to avoid cutting into their more expensive car sales. "Damn! We built it too good. Marketing is gonna be all over this."
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I like how all the current Tesla models spell S 3 X.... Musk is such a perv
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I just put in a rental request for a Model 3 on Turo for tomorrow. Will report back.
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I just put in a rental request for a Model 3 on Turo for tomorrow. Will report back.
Please do. I'm curious if the quality disparity between it and the S, X is similar to how a big automaker makes cuts on lesser models, or if it's similar but just a difference size. They wouldn't let me in the one at the LA Auto Show, and that's the closest I've been to a 3.
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If I get it there will be a full writeup whether or not anyone asks for it.
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Reservation confirmed for tomorrow. Start your questions rolling.
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Get some inside the car driving. I'd like to see more of these model 3's.

Mike, since you are in the know has there been any sort of aftermarket fuckery with these cars to make the batteries output more power or unlock restricted modes?
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Open the front doors, get a good look at the back of the door looking from the inside looking out, where the window meets the door card.

Vids online show this area looks unfinished /funky.

Is the back seat lower cushion too low for thigh support for those around 5-8 to 6-0?

Take it up the mountain. How does it do in the snow?

How is the audio quality? Does having the tweeters at the top of the A pillars screw up the soundstage imaging and depth?

If it's got base wheels, pull the covers and get some closeup shots. Any weird mounting lugs left exposed? Is the center bore open, and if so, does it look like a standard sized cap can snap in?
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I have to totally disagree about the interiors vs the model S. My wife and I literally just drove a brand new model S yesterday and itís miles improved vs the older model S cars. Seats are way different, interior sound is way better more quiet. Steering wheel is better, head liner is better, roof is now all glass etc.

Itís the reason Iím not waiting for the model 3 and Iíll be ordering an S. I feel the 3 interior is crap

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In this post we'll discuss the best car ever made. And after we're done talking about the 1989 Grand Marquis we'll discuss the Tesla Model 3!

The more I read about this the more I think we've got a really big problem. Actually, Tesla has a really big problem. Unless your only metric of importance is brutal acceleration the Model 3 is a better car than the S and half the price.

It's smaller and more efficient, it apparently has more rear head room and better ergonomics, it's has more range than the S75 and modestly less than the S100 and it has a better interior.

And now Tesla, presumably understanding of the pickle they've got themselves into, is actively trying to undersell the car. They asked the EPA to lower the range of the high capacity battery car from 334 to 310. The former is just 6 miles off of the big daddy Model S 100D.

And now the one metric I was actually concerned about - performance - was put to bed today when it was revealed that they're also lying about the 0-60 time. What was supposed to be 5.1 seconds to 60 is actually 4.6 seconds. Quarter mile? 13.3 seconds. We're not talking supercar performance here but we are dealing with an objectively quick car, especially when you consider that the performance variant won't be introduced until next year.


As far as range goes idk if itís fair to compare the 2. One car is close to a full size sedan with amazing trunk and decent frunk space. Itís very heavy and has a good amount of features.

The model 3 is smaller, much like the bolt. Smaller car, lighter weight, possibly better drag coefficient etc all adds up.


The 0-60 time? For me itís not relevant. The base Tesla will leave any normal car on the road like itís not moving, and even the base acceleration rivals a good amount of sporty vehicles. Itís hard to make one model 3 a lot slower than a base model S. Itís electric vs electric. Hell even the Volt and Bolt move out in a decent pace.
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I have to totally disagree about the interiors vs the model S. My wife and I literally just drove a brand new model S yesterday and itís miles improved vs the older model S cars. Seats are way different, interior sound is way better more quiet. Steering wheel is better, head liner is better, roof is now all glass etc.

Itís the reason Iím not waiting for the model 3 and Iíll be ordering an S. I feel the 3 interior is crap

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Iíll touch on this more in a bit but uh... Iíd be cancelling that order.
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Iíll touch on this more in a bit but uh... Iíd be cancelling that order.


Absolutely not.

1. I am not waiting 2 or 3 years to get a model 3

and only having 1 screen offset to my side is a deal breaker for me.

I suggest you go drive a brand new Model S. I drove a new one and a 2 year old car yesterday and it made the old one feel like a 30 grand cheap car. The new ones are far superior to the older S cars. I am shocked how far they have come and I am so glad I waited. I would be pissed being an older S owner
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That being said I do respect your thoughts and opinion. I would like to discuss this further with you, as I think we would be the only Tesla owners on this forum. And you are the only other person I know with one and you have lived with it for a while
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That looks like puke. Just throw up a tablet in the middle of the dash.

But that's my only complaint. Otherwise looks good and I would assume the car works well too.

Call me old fashioned.
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Iím sure the car is great. That interior is a deal killer for me. That and waiting just to spend 50grand + on it because to get any options or the bigger battery thatís what it costs.... then you are back up somewhat near Model S territory.

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Mike, since you are in the know has there been any sort of aftermarket fuckery with these cars to make the batteries output more power or unlock restricted modes?


It's all kind of new territory but so far all we've seen with the S is people changing firmware and upgrading batteries and since you basically need to buy a salvage car to get the parts you need, we don't even see much of that. The one guy I've seen hack them first uploaded the P85 firmware to an 85 and said that effectively turned it into a P85. So that's cool. Then he put the P100D battery in his P85, uploaded the P100D firmware and created a box to simulate the existence of the front motor on his rear wheel drive car. What he ended up with was a 600hp rear wheel drive monster.



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Open the front doors, get a good look at the back of the door looking from the inside looking out, where the window meets the door card.



Vids online show this area looks unfinished /funky.


I got a vid of it and a few pictures. I don't see anything.



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Yes, it's not very good but it's no worse than the S. Then again, the S isn't good in this respect either. With the surplus of headroom back there I'm surprised they didn't raise the rear seat some.



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California drought. Tomorrow will literally be our first rain since February of 2017. I'm probably going to take it into the mountains today though.



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It's good. People have said it's better than the ultra high fidelity system in the S. I don't think it's night and day but it's definitely as good and a little punchier on the mid-range bass where the S suffers because of it's ported subwoofer box. It's good, probably on par with the Harmon Kardon in my old BMWs.



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1. I am not waiting 2 or 3 years to get a model 3



and only having 1 screen offset to my side is a deal breaker for me.



I suggest you go drive a brand new Model S. I drove a new one and a 2 year old car yesterday and it made the old one feel like a 30 grand cheap car. The new ones are far superior to the older S cars. I am shocked how far they have come and I am so glad I waited. I would be pissed being an older S owner


I did. I live in Hollywood man. It's our Toyota Camry. It's no different than my 2015. Different than a 2013? Yes, better in many ways. Different than my 2015? Other than that cheaply built center console, no not at all. There's a lot of people that perceive a difference but it's not there. It just objectively is not there. The Model 3 has a nicer interior than the 2017 you sat in.



Now if you want to argue design differences, totally get it. They are different cars in that respect but not many people consider the S to be a good luxury car; it's just a good car. It's a pretty shit luxury car and thatís not because of build quality.



But I'm not telling you to cancel that order because the S is horrible. I'm telling you to cancel that order because Tesla will need to fix the S's mediocre interior to keep it relevant because as it sits right now, it's not. They've blown their load with the 3.



But beyond that, the S is still basically on it's original Nvidia center display which largely hasn't been improved and is amazing until....



You use the center display on the Model 3 which is higher resolution, has less lag, is brighter, has newer nav on it that presumably requires the newer CPU it's using, etc. Tesla will push that out to the S and they hired Volvo's old head of interior design not too long ago. They know what they've done here and they know what they need to do. The worst feeling is getting the iPhone 7 a day before the iPhone 8 comes out. I bet you'll see a whole new interior and a huge push upmarket in the S in a matter of a couple months.



As it sits right now, and take my word on this, the only differentiator is the slightly sportier seats in the S and the gauge cluster. By every other metric I'd choose 3 over S and I love my S.



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That looks like puke. Just throw up a tablet in the middle of the dash.



But that's my only complaint. Otherwise looks good and I would assume the car works well too.



Call me old fashioned.


Totally a matter of opinion. I understand that.



I'll have more soon. Keep the questions coming.
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So a cool thing about having a more efficient battery is that it charges faster. On 40 amp 240v service my S gets 25 miles per hour of charge. This gets 35. Yuuuuuge difference.

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Big brother is watching. This is an inward facing camera on the rearview mirror, presumably to watch people that are riding in your car when you send it out on the Tesla network. This will be once they are fully self driving which this car has the hardware for.

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