Ford F150 - What's it worth?

[Mike K]

2004, 175,000 miles, blue on tan, extended cab, leather, FX4, no rust and in very good overall shape.

Here's the bad: I guess the 5.4's have a cam phaser issue and it sometimes idles like junk. My dad says it's a bundle of money to get fixed and doesn't know what to do now that emissions are coming up.

So two questions:

1. What's it worth as it sits?
2. What would it realistically cost to have the cam phaser repaired?

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[Chester Copperpot]

2004 F-150 FX4 Very Good Condition

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/964160-5-4-cam-phasers-fix-or-not.html

2200 here to fix phasers, and its an extra 250 bucks to fix the lash adjusters...

DIY - Cam Phaser Replacement - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

Aboot tree-fiddy

 

[Mike K]

2004 F-150 FX4 Very Good Condition

5.4 cam phasers...fix or not? - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums


DIY - Cam Phaser Replacement - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

I don't think he wants to tackle it himself. He's 75 and he's been wrenching his whole life. He's either looking for someone to do it or to sell the truck as it sits.

 

[BeerOrGasoline]

I personally wouldn't repair the phasers just for them to fail again. I would install lockouts and flash a tune on it assuming the phasers are salvageable still.

 

[Mike K]

I personally wouldn't repair the phasers just for them to fail again. I would install lockouts and flash a tune on it assuming the phasers are salvageable still.

What does that mean? I have absolutely no experience with this engine.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The lockouts are just a piece of billet that cause the cams to be locked into one mode and don't phase like OEM ("phasing" cause the cams to rotate forward or backward advancing or retarding timing). That way they won't gum up and won't ever need to be replaced. You also need a tune to "delete" the phasing in the ECM.

But, doubt you could find a dealership to install those unless you know someone who could do it for your dad.

 

[BeerOrGasoline]

I've got a Ford dealer that would do it but they're in Frankfort, IL.

Livernois Motorsports near Detroit is pretty popular for their lockout/tune combo.

 

[Primalzer]

Spark plugs been done?

 

[BeerOrGasoline]

Here's the phasers already locked out and pre-assembled along with a custom tune matched for it. Even comes with the tool to lock the timing chain in place so you don't mess that up.


Livernois Motorsports

 

[RustyWrench]

The timing chain tensioners are known to blow out their gaskets and cause oil pressure problems too, adding to the whole phasers going bad. Another thing to take into account, if the tensioners are blown out, they may cause oil pressure to drop just enough that the cams starve for oil. Usually the front most cam caps will show the scoring...thus needing a new long block or at the very least heads which is almost the same labor and price wise as just installing a long block...worst case scenario though.

 

[Mike K]

I think that's what he read and what's he's largely concerned might be the problem. But he says other than idle the truck seems to run fine.

 

[Dasfinc]

I think that's what he read and what's he's largely concerned might be the problem. But he says other than idle the truck seems to run fine.

Stupid question; where is it located?

 

[RustyWrench]

I think that's what he read and what's he's largely concerned might be the problem. But he says other than idle the truck seems to run fine.

The best way to tell would be to remove valve covers and look down and blow a little air into the solenoids and see if you can see the the gasket coming out...is the truck in the chicagoland area? Message me and I can give you an idea on what it'll run you if the truck is here in the area.

My buddy will do the work since I wouldn't be able to fit the truck in my garage. We're both certified ford techs by the way.

 

[BeerOrGasoline]

The best way to tell would be to remove valve covers and look down and blow a little air into the solenoids and see if you can see the the gasket coming out...is the truck in the chicagoland area? Message me and I can give you an idea on what it'll run you if the truck is here in the area.

My buddy will do the work since I wouldn't be able to fit the truck in my garage. We're both certified ford techs by the way.

Oh snap. & where are you guys located? You guys working at a dealer now?

 

[RustyWrench]

Yeah, we're at a dealership. He's in the south burbs and I'm in the northern burbs...just trying to be a bit anonymous at the moment.

I've been a lurker for a bit and been wanting to participate but just never got around to it til now. Lol

 

[Mike K]

Hey guys. The truck is in Arlignton Heights. What would you charge?

 

[RustyWrench]

$600 not including parts...that's for replacing the phasers.

 

[Mike K]

And if it needs more? Or is it kind of "if it needs more he's boned"?

 

[RustyWrench]

If it needs more, he's better off getting rid of it. The rough idle leads me to believe that there's more to it than just phasers.

 

[BeerOrGasoline]

Yeah, we're at a dealership. He's in the south burbs and I'm in the northern burbs...just trying to be a bit anonymous at the moment.

I've been a lurker for a bit and been wanting to participate but just never got around to it til now. Lol

Curious about the south burbs location, always like to know a good Ford guy down here. Wouldn't happen to be Frankfort would it? You can shoot me a PM to keep it a little quieter if you like.

 

[RustyWrench]

Not Frankfort, a bit more north

 

[RustyWrench]

And if it needs more? Or is it kind of "if it needs more he's boned"?

Would be looking at close to $1k in labor to fix all the bits...I'm kinda interested in the truck if hes thinking of parting ways with it. Would like to see it.

 

[ktraver97ss]