money aside... could a gas powered truck be built up to compete with diesel trucks.

[Yaj Yak]

modded diesels of course... money aside to an extent...

my little brother has a pretty clean f250...

tuner/egr delete/4in turbo back/etc/etcetc...


he is buddies with a bunch of diesel guys- like hardcore stupidass pulling trucks/performance diesel shit.


my question is could a comparable gas truck- no matter the brand (im going something with an LS motor for all intents and purposes) throw down in a pulling competition?


and go- if possible- what is it going to take?

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[Yaj Yak]

this of course is a completely hypothetical thread- but i must say- i would love one of the bigger LS vendors to come out with a gas powered truck to go compete with some diesels somewhere- would just be cool to see.

 

[RICH17]

Honestly I would build up an 8.1L GM V8. Big motor means big torque.

 

[Yaj Yak]

i like that. i also think a new coyote powered truck or 6.2 ford could do some work as well- shit i have heard before of the old ford v-10s getting shit done also.

 

[RICH17]

The old V10 ford have been know to get down. I dont think the new coyotes have enough power down low for something like this?

 

[Yaj Yak]

in my head it's doable- front ends and rear ends in some of these trucks are quite burly... get a 3/4 ton chevy with a 6.0- newer- say 08+

like this Chevrolet : Silverado 2500 4x4 Crew in Chevrolet | eBay Motors

properly sized larger twin turbo setup right off the manifolds with as short of spool times as possible while still making good boost... built auto trans and burly ujoints/driveshaft etc etc...

comparable diesel trucks used are a good penny more- their built transmissions are stupidly expensive (which most diesel built up trucks are going to need once they make 150hp more than stock anyways) and getting some of these trucks up to 6-700hp takes quite a bit as well...

just something i think of occasionally but am just spitballing. could be cool to see happen.

 

[Yaj Yak]

i think anything with enough boost- and a properly setup trans could put down some good torque numbers- granted it's not going to be the 1200+ numbers these diesel trucks put down with barely anything done- but how much different is that 600hp-1200ft lb truck from a gas truck making 6-700hp and 7-800 tq...

 

[02BlueGT]

Although you can put down good numbers with a Gas engine, the torque advantages of a Diesel burning motor will always put you at a disadvantage. I'm sure you can dump a ton of $$ down and make a GAS truck that hangs with the mid level diesel builds. But the huge diesel builds will out pull a gas build, that is why they are used, low revs high torque, opposite of your gas engine of high rev's medium torque.

 

[Yaj Yak]

what i am saying though is the money put into these diesel trucks is insane... crazy crazy money- money that i think into a ls truck could also throw down. do a twin charged setup- a 6.2 out of an escalade with twin 62s and a tvs blower on top of it...

 

[02BlueGT]

But if I were to do it, big block with a stroker kit, custom cam for mid range torque, 4 turbos (two small two big). Make that shit a torque monster

 

[Yaj Yak]

4 turbos? big block & stroker kit? whaattt?

 

[02BlueGT]

4 turbos? big block & stroker kit? whaattt?

You wanna make a gas truck pull like a diesel, gotta play big

 

[RICH17]

I think A gas truck could have if it has the right gearing in it

 

[02BlueGT]

LS will make more HP, but your in a torque race here big engine with a long stroke, lots of air and a 3in fuel line..... I've actually thought about it before, even running 4 different sized turbos so there is always boost.

 

[Yaj Yak]

forgive me for saying this. but 4 different turbos would be dumb

be better off with one big one small.. 4 would just be complicated and messy.

 

[RICH17]

MMMMMMM Compound turbos

 

[Yaj Yak]

and wtf big block are you ptuting in? going to go find a sweet ol 7.4 out of a 98 3500? i think there are some better boat anchors...

8.1 is up in the air for me too- and really at the end of the day- do you really want to stroke a 8.1? not really. probably not. especially because parts for that motor are most likely $$$$$$$$ if even existent.

 

[02BlueGT]

forgive me for saying this. but 4 different turbos would be dumb

be better off with one big one small.. 4 would just be complicated and messy.

Meh, It is def. more parts to break and more complication, but if your going big, why not do something very few other people try. There was a big block build a few years back with 8 small turbos.... 2,000 hp IIRC

 

[Yaj Yak]

shit. watch an ecoboost v8 make it into a 3/4 ton platform here from ford. then what? the ecoboost v6 is already rated to tow as much as some diesels were 7-9 years ago..

 

[Yaj Yak]

Meh, It is def. more parts to break and more complication, but if your going big, why not do something very few other people try. There was a big block build a few years back with 8 small turbos.... 2,000 hp IIRC

yeah it was a gay ass show car.




show me actually accelerate quicker than my saturn could and then id pay attention.

 

[Yaj Yak]

oh and it was 7xx hp... who knows if that was crank, whp or imaginary for that matter.

 

[02BlueGT]

yeah it was a gay ass show car.




show me actually accelerate quicker than my saturn could and then id pay attention.

You wanna beat diesels at pulling, if you wanna out accelerate them, it is much easier

 

[Yaj Yak]

i bet that 8 turbo car didnt make that much torque either.

 

[Yaj Yak]

an ecoboost v8 in a hd pickup truck has got me going 6 to midnight.

 

[02BlueGT]

i bet that 8 turbo car didnt make that much torque either.

Maybe, maybe not, if you are building a gas car for pulling, its gonna have a huge gear, and need lots of air for high torque.... 8 turbos is retarded BTW