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Old 04-03-2009, 01:40 PM   #1
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Last year at the Detroit Auto Show, Ford announced its intention to introduce a lineup of EcoBoost engines as a cost-effective means of getting a significant improvement in fuel efficiency.

The first of those EcoBoost engines is a turbocharged and direct-injected version of the 3.5-liter V6 used in many of Ford's larger cars. Those engines will launch into production in just a few weeks and should start appearing in first in the Ford Flex and Lincoln MKS well before summer solstice arrives. Later this summer, the same engine will also provide power to the new Taurus SHO and Lincoln MKT. While we're not yet allowed discuss what it's like to drive cars and trucks, you can draw your conclusions from the Ford-provided torque graph (at right) that compares its output against the output of the 4.6-liter Cadillac V8 in the STS.

While 3.5-liter EcoBoost has impressive power production, it also substantially reduces the fuel consumption and CO2 emissions compared to competitive V8 engines. Relative to the 4.2-4.8 -liter V8 motors used in other luxury sedans, Ford's V6 is near the top of the segment in terms of power and torque, yet CO2 emissions are only 218 grams-per-kilometer. The V8s range from 227 g/km for the Lexus GS450 to 272 g/km for the Infiniti M45. Learn more about EcoBoost after the jump.


The 3.5-liter V6 is just the first step. When Ford first announced EcoBoost last year, the plan was offer up to 500,000 such engines annually within five years. That plan has now been significantly accelerated. The V6 will be targeted as a premium engine option in the larger vehicles this year. In 2010, the same engine will be available in the F-150 pickup as lower consumption alternative to the 5.4-liter V8 while offering comparable or better performance and an 11,000 pound towing capacity. Ford says the V6 should be able to achieve up 20 percent better fuel efficiency than the larger V8.



Late this year, Ford will also start production of a 1.6-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder in the UK for vehicles like the Focus. In the next couple of years, Ford will also launch a mid-level four-cylinder, likely a 2.0-liter to supplant the current 3.0-liter V6, as well as smaller 1.2-liter EcoBoost engines. By 2013, 90% of all vehicles that Ford builds will be available with EcoBoost power. The company plans to sell 1.3 million such powerplants globally, with 700,000 of those coming to the U.S.
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They need to drop that motor into a Fusion along with a 6-speed. And maybe squeeze a little more HP out of that thing.


SVT Fusion ftw
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Or put it into a Ranger with a 6-speed and RWD.....SVT Ranger FTW
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What viable new motor has GM come up within the last decade, that can be used on a far-reaching model to model basis and be financially feasible?
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I have high hopes for this engine. I'm gonna try to test drive the new SHO when it hits dealers and go all s00ls with it.
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gm needs to get their ass in gear with something worth while
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just dont buy it this time without negotiating a price
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But I'm not buying shit. Atleast, not any time soon.
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What viable new motor has GM come up within the last decade, that can be used on a far-reaching model to model basis and be financially feasible?
Their new DOHC V6s? Though they wouldn't be putting it in the trucks like ford is with the ecoboost.
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What viable new motor has GM come up within the last decade, that can be used on a far-reaching model to model basis and be financially feasible?
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Their new DOHC V6s? Though they wouldn't be putting it in the trucks like ford is with the ecoboost.
DOD on most their V8's..... Direct injection DOCH V6's with only 50 hp less than the twin turbo eco boost also with equal or better hwy gas mileage.....

Turbo direct injection Ecotec putting 260hp, and getting 30+mgg's.....

The LS7, 427 ci motor that runs efficently enough to not get a gas gussler tax

The Ls2 and Ls3 also as above run efficently as huge V8's to not get the gass guzzler tax......

Not to take away from ecoboost, but GM's been doin ok for a few years.... They just need to make up a slick name for their line of direct injection engines
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DOD on most their V8's..... Direct injection DOCH V6's with only 50 hp less than the twin turbo eco boost also with equal or better hwy gas mileage.....

Turbo direct injection Ecotec putting 260hp, and getting 30+mgg's.....

The LS7, 427 ci motor that runs efficently enough to not get a gas gussler tax

The Ls2 and Ls3 also as above run efficently as huge V8's to not get the gass guzzler tax......

Not to take away from ecoboost, but GM's been doin ok for a few years.... They just need to make up a slick name for their line of direct injection engines
I'll agree with the direct injection V6's....they have been good, but I don't think it would put in the LS7 because yeah its an awesome motor, but it's 50's tech, and WAY expensive. It alone is the price of some cars.
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DOD on most their V8's..... Direct injection DOCH V6's with only 50 hp less than the twin turbo eco boost also with equal or better hwy gas mileage.....

Turbo direct injection Ecotec putting 260hp, and getting 30+mgg's.....

The LS7, 427 ci motor that runs efficently enough to not get a gas gussler tax

The Ls2 and Ls3 also as above run efficently as huge V8's to not get the gass guzzler tax......


Not to take away from ecoboost, but GM's been doin ok for a few years.... They just need to make up a slick name for their line of direct injection engines
In a 3000lb corvette it might not have that. But the new SHO is going to be around 4Klbs i think. But i get what you're saying. They are two different paths of utilizing technology. One goes to refining a proven classic, the other going a more contemporary route.
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I'll agree with the direct injection V6's....they have been good, but I don't think it would put in the LS7 because yeah its an awesome motor, but it's 50's tech, and WAY expensive. It alone is the price of some cars.
explain the 1950's technology of the LS7, please!!!!! id love to hear this
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I'll agree with the direct injection V6's....they have been good, but I don't think it would put in the LS7 because yeah its an awesome motor, but it's 50's tech, and WAY expensive. It alone is the price of some cars.
never knew they had dry-sump oiling systems in the 50's!
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explain the 1950's technology of the LS7, please!!!!! id love to hear this
Cam in block and two valves. Then the road kinda forks off from there.
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Calling OHV engine 50s tech is funny since OHC tech is from the early 20th century. (1910s)
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explain the 1950's technology of the LS7, please!!!!! id love to hear this
The small block is the same basic design as the original from the 50's. Yes, technologies have been added, dry sump, aluminum parts, fuel injection, etc.

The LS's has what, reverse flow coolant, differences in bore sizes, increased main caps, flat top pistons (for some). But the basic, push-rod, 2-valve per cylinder, V8, with similar dimensions, same bore spacing, etc.

I don't consider it a "new" engine if the majority of dimensions and specifications are left the same, but just technologies are added. I will agree with the Generation term, where it is an evolution of the previous engine, but still structurally the same.

Don't get me wrong i'm not bashing the engine, it is a marvel of engineering. Not many (if any) engines can say that they have survived in some form or another for 50 years while still being reliable, viable, and competitive.
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so since it has a cam in block that means its "old tech"? lolololhahahahahalolol.

lets see, 6 bolt mains, titanium rods and exhaust valves, 11 degree heads.... the list goes on and on...

im not sure if there is any engine that isnt 50's tech by your standard! you realize there were OHC 4V engines back then too right?

do you even know why they used that architecture? to fit the engine inside a corvette the total engine height (oil pan to intake) had to be very slim.... and guess what? DOHC engines have much much taller heads! that would have put them through the hood of the 97 corvette the LS was originally in. Also performance wise, having all that junk way up high in the engine bay puts the center of gravity much higher... low CG = better handling.... do some research before you lay claims that are unfounded
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so since it has a cam in block that means its "old tech"? lolololhahahahahalolol.

lets see, 6 bolt mains, titanium rods and exhaust valves, 11 degree heads.... the list goes on and on...

im not sure if there is any engine that isnt 50's tech by your standard! you realize there were OHC 4V engines back then too right?

do you even know why they used that architecture? to fit the engine inside a corvette the total engine height (oil pan to intake) had to be very slim.... and guess what? DOHC engines have much much taller heads! that would have put them through the hood of the 97 corvette the LS was originally in. Also performance wise, having all that junk way up high in the engine bay puts the center of gravity much higher... low CG = better handling.... do some research before you lay claims that are unfounded
Yeah never said that.....Yeah ford had a 16V DOHC in the 1920's. Hell Dusenberg had an 8 cylinder DOHC supercharged motor that made 400 hp, back in 1922. and yeah never said that the DOHC motor is "high-tech" all I said was that the SBC was a 1950's design....designs evolve, because they have to, and that is the current LS line of engines. They are in NO way low tech, all i was stating is that they have the same basic design principles as the original in 1955. That's why the LS7 is considered the Generation V GM V8.
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tell me this then.... what does the LS have in common with the 55 small block? i need a list of interchangeable parts or dimensions
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what does a third gen with a LS have to do with anything?
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it's a carburated LS, thats a manifold and carburetor that can be interchanged
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