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Old 09-09-2018, 11:17 PM   #1
 
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Default Because its UGLY!!!! Camaro sales....And cost too much!

https://jalopnik.com/the-ford-mustan...nch-1828921644

The Chevrolet Camaro has fallen from glory. After a five year reign over its U.S. sports car kingdom, the Camaro has been quickly usurped by the Ford Mustangóand then by the aging Dodge Challenger. Sales are decreasing by drastic amounts, and it doesnít look like thereís going to be change in the near future.

Things started changing around 2014. Trying to find new and innovative ways to stay on top of their game, Chevy opted to redesign the Camaro. People were interested, so why not class things up a bit? Surely, people will be willing to pay more money for a better performing car.

It didnít work. Ford quickly scooped up the customers who couldnít make the jump up to the next rung of the pricing ladder, and Chevy has been suffering the consequences.

In Automotive News, Al Oppenheiser, the chief engineer of the Camaro, voiced his intentions:

ďFrankly, [Mustang] have been eating our lunch. The low [transaction prices] of a four-cylinder ... thatís where the bulk of the sales are and thatís where our pricing strategy needed improvement. We plan to go head to head ó and win.Ē

No no its because people cant handle the ugly! Even if it is faster than the Mustang.
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Not really surprised, the Camaro as it is now seems kind of like a conflict to me. The fith gen the wifey and I rented seemed to have an interior like her Cruze which while not terrible isn't a Camaro priced interior. The Mustang gives great performance for less $ and Dodge has better lines overall IMO and likely better pricing. The amount they want for a Camaro just seems to be out there with the competition.
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Camaro always seems to get the performance right...and everything else wrong.
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I’m very happy with my 2018 Camaro SS.

It’s an awesome car. The ZL1s are awesome too

The 2019 is ugly though. The refreshed look.
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Not really surprised, the Camaro as it is now seems kind of like a conflict to me. The fith gen the wifey and I rented seemed to have an interior like her Cruze which while not terrible isn't a Camaro priced interior. The Mustang gives great performance for less $ and Dodge has better lines overall IMO and likely better pricing. The amount they want for a Camaro just seems to be out there with the competition.
...I had a rental Cruze as did the misses, you donít have to lie, itís bad.
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...I had a rental Cruze as did the misses, you don’t have to lie, it’s bad.
You don't know bad till you've been in a 90s Contour. That said in terms of specific output I liked the 08 Civic I had better with a 5spd than this with a 6spd. As a disclaimer I haven't hit this with HPT yet either but need to.
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Any Ford product from the 90's and early 00's was just a pool of creaky hard plastic
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Tha 2019 red vert on the cover of the latest Road and Track looks pretty fat to me
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...specs-hp-info

Its a mustang but its still not as ugly as a 2019 Camaro
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How are Camaros in rollover testing?
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How are Camaros in rollover testing?
Havnt tried one.

Yellow 2016 Mustangs do great though! Or so Ive heard
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Geezus Id rather look at a 2019 Silverado.........
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Red vert ZL1...
Um, yes please
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Red hardtop forsale here but i dont have 63k stacks
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Red hardtop forsale here but i dont have 63k stacks
Seriously man, i think it's time you upgrade to Chevrolet
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They fucked up by not changing up the design much. The 6th gen should have had a lower belt line and been easier to get in and out of. They fixed the performance issue but made the interior room even worse. Not to mention they priced it out of it's sweet spot. The 5th gen was a hit with middle aged guys, the 6th gen didn't offer enough appeal to lure them in. Not to mention the vette is a newer design. The C6 was 5 years old when the 5th gen came out. I think the newness over the vette also helped with sales.
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From what I understand the 6th Gen is also super impractical to use as a DD, whereas the Mustang and Challenger are much more practical.
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The new Mustang 5.0 responds a lot better to Mods than the Maro SS. So I’ve heard
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I agree with the looks thing. The Camaro is easily the least appealing to look at. Mustang is sleek and sexy and the Camaro is still with the retro look, but it's a problem when the Challenger is also retro and pulls it off with a much better looking car.

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Even the 15-17 cars respond much better. It's just way too easy to make huge power with the new 5.0's.
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40k car make 800hp damn tuff to beat that.....
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Seriously man, i think it's time you upgrade to Chevrolet
They cost too fucking much and no one is going to touch a LFP or Beechmont Mustang package for the money.

Yenko what?

Its a shame some GM dealer cant pull off what LFP and Beechmont are.
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The LX chassis is now almost 14 years old....has there been any talks about a refresh/chassis update?
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