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Old 04-27-2018, 01:26 PM   #101
 
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https://gizmodo.com/tesla-shareholde...-ch-1825598148

Dude with $3500 invested in the company going around and pulling this shit. FTS
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Lol read that as well. Dude has 12 shares I think I read. Rofl sit down little buddy. Let the real shareholders run these meetings

Rofl my parents have or had more shares than this dude
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Out of curiosity, I wonder what the major shareholders do think of how the company is run, especially after his little joke on the 1st about Tesla going bankrupt.

Between Musk himself, and other shareholders who are in his pocket, i would never see him getting booted.
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I believe the majority are perfectly happy with him. This was echoed by the compensation package they just approved for him.

Much of the companies success is believed to be his working or ideas. Yea he can post some jokes from time to time, but it can be refreshing from the normal straight edge corporate society we live in.


Heís done stuff like that in the past. Remember back when the Summon feature for the Teslaís came out? He made a post that the cars now come with anti meter made devices. Shit was hilarious
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Lol read that as well. Dude has 12 shares I think I read. Rofl sit down little buddy. Let the real shareholders run these meetings

Rofl my parents have or had more shares than this dude
12 shares at ~$285/share is around $3400
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12 shares at ~$285/share is around $3400
Heavy hitter! I'm going to buy a few shares in Berkshire B and make demands of Buffett.
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And the hits just keep on coming.

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SOUTH JORDAN, Utah (AP) — Police are investigating whether a Tesla sedan's semi-autonomous Autopilot feature was engaged when it rear-ended a fire department truck in Utah.
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And this incident last week too.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tesla-mode...l?guccounter=1
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Accident one "We don't believe autopilot was switched on"... "speed was a factor". Accident two, no mention yet as to whether or not Autopilot was switched on.

So what exactly is your point?
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SOMETHING SAID TESLA AND HE HAD TO REPORT IT DUH
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In the US, there is one automotive fatality every 86 million miles across all vehicles from all manufacturers. For Tesla, there is one fatality, including known pedestrian fatalities, every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot hardware. If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
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SHUT UP BRO. TESLA IS A FAILURE.
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How does that saying go, don't let "substantially better" get in the way of "continued medocrity"?

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'There's Something Wrong.' As Elon Musk Fights Short Sellers, Top Tesla Execs Keep Leaving

“It is never a good sign when almost all your senior executives are leaving with the stock price at a high,” Chanos said on “Masters in Business,” a Bloomberg Opinion podcast released last week. “That’s telling you there’s something wrong. And I don’t know what it is, but almost all the senior executives at Tesla see something and are leaving stock option packages on the table.”
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Who is the data source?

What I think is interesting in the recent cases is that the array of sensors that AutoPilot uses to scan for objects failed to identify and brake for large objects such as a guard rail and fire truck.

Tesla's branding of their system is a problem too. Consumers attribute auto-pilot systems with aviation and those systems are VERY sophisticated and are truly automated systems under most conditions. Tesla's system isn't an auto-pilot system, but rather a driver aid which to non car people can be confusing.
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Who is the data source?

What I think is interesting in the recent cases is that the array of sensors that AutoPilot uses to scan for objects failed to identify and brake for large objects such as a guard rail and fire truck.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the system works and is intended to work. The system works essentially via two different sensors: a forward facing camera and a forward facing radar. Ancillary sensors (essentially long range parking sensors) give you a 16 ft cushion around the car but are not required for proper functionality of Autopilot.

Initial iterations of Autopilot were purposely designed to be blind to something. For instance, the guy that had the semi-truck turn in front of him and was be-headed when the car failed to stop and simply went under it. The guy had a full 7 seconds to react but clearly wasn't paying attention. The car did nothing wrong either because it was intentionally designed to ignore that truck. Let's explore why...

Radar signatures for overhead signs are suspiciously similar to that of a tractor trailer in front of a vehicle and as Autopilot is designed to be used on split highways where a tractor trailer wouldn't cut you off, it was fine to set the system up like this.

It is always the driver's responsibility to maintain control of their vehicle. Crashing into a semi-truck when you have auto-pilot engaged is no different than crashing into a truck without auto-pilot or crashing into a truck when you have cruise control on. In every instance the driver should have been in full control of the vehicle and was not. Throughout the years I've follow Tesla I've watched them try to explain this in great detail but it seems to fall on deaf ears. And people that know better also abuse the system because enough of the time it works beyond it's advertised capabilities and can give you a false sense of security. If I'm sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on the 101 Autopilot is in it's zone. It can lock on to the car in front of me, it sees the cars on my side and things are moving slowly enough that basically you never have to touch the wheel. I'll sit there and read the news, regularly glancing up. This is not at all how the system is designed to be used though and if I found myself in an accident because of this I wouldn't blame the system for not preventing a crash; I would blame myself.

People act as if Autopilot is supposed to make the vehicle accident-free. It is not. Not even close.

AutoPilot Improvements

Despite this, a couple years ago when Tesla released Autopilot 2 they also announced a change to the Autopilot 1 program. Since there are so many Autopilot equipped Teslas on the road they would now change the way that front radar sensor worked, even on the older cars.

Basically Autopilot would always be "on" even when it was off. When it would see a radar signature, let's see an overhead sign, it would note what it wanted to do and then it would note what the driver actually did. It would then upload that info to Tesla. If on day one of the program there was a giant sign in the middle of a curve that made the cars want to stop, on day 15 enough drivers had driven past that sign trouble-free where it was whitelisted in Tesla's system so that future cars that would pass with Autopilot enabled wouldn't stop here. Effectively they are harnessing the power of their fleet size to crowd source information.

To further improve things (probably because of impending autonomous driving) they just uploaded an entirely new vector based navigation system to all of the cars. So my 3 year old hoopty just got a software update a week ago that gave me an entirely new navigation setup that is so accurate it shows what lane I'm in.

At the end of the day this is just radar cruise control with the ability to hold a lane and people need to respect that and treat it as such.

Where I will admit there's a failure on Tesla's part is in educating the customer at delivery. When I picked up my car there was no run-down of Autopilot's functions and where I should or shouldn't use it. I knew because I'm a nerd but most people aren't and I can see how they might be under the assumption the system is smarter than it is.

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Tesla's branding of their system is a problem too. Consumers attribute auto-pilot systems with aviation and those systems are VERY sophisticated and are truly automated systems under most conditions. Tesla's system isn't an auto-pilot system, but rather a driver aid which to non car people can be confusing.
It's a branding problem but probably not in the way you think. Yes people think Autopilot in planes is hugely sophisticated and thus they may think their cars are hugely sophisticated but I think people also don't fully understand that Autopilot on a plane is a little more rudimentary than they think. Effectively it is capable of handling a compass bearing, altitude and speed. And you can put in different way points along you route for those things to change. People seem to think you can just take off and then tell the plane to go to San Francisco and that's not reality. The pilots are still very much in control should anything arise that's beyond autopilot's limited capabilities. So in that sense, I think Tesla aptly named the feature but maybe people's misunderstanding of Autopilot in planes came back to bite them in the ass.
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I just think people are dumb and think they don’t have to pay attention. How many of these incidents happened while the drivers face was buried in their phone because they thought they didn’t have to pay attention?
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the system works and is intended to work. The system works essentially via two different sensors: a forward facing camera and a forward facing radar. Ancillary sensors (essentially long range parking sensors) give you a 16 ft cushion around the car but are not required for proper functionality of Autopilot.

Initial iterations of Autopilot were purposely designed to be blind to something. For instance, the guy that had the semi-truck turn in front of him and was be-headed when the car failed to stop and simply went under it. The guy had a full 7 seconds to react but clearly wasn't paying attention. The car did nothing wrong either because it was intentionally designed to ignore that truck. Let's explore why...

Radar signatures for overhead signs are suspiciously similar to that of a tractor trailer in front of a vehicle and as Autopilot is designed to be used on split highways where a tractor trailer wouldn't cut you off, it was fine to set the system up like this.

It is always the driver's responsibility to maintain control of their vehicle. Crashing into a semi-truck when you have auto-pilot engaged is no different than crashing into a truck without auto-pilot or crashing into a truck when you have cruise control on. In every instance the driver should have been in full control of the vehicle and was not. Throughout the years I've follow Tesla I've watched them try to explain this in great detail but it seems to fall on deaf ears. And people that know better also abuse the system because enough of the time it works beyond it's advertised capabilities and can give you a false sense of security. If I'm sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on the 101 Autopilot is in it's zone. It can lock on to the car in front of me, it sees the cars on my side and things are moving slowly enough that basically you never have to touch the wheel. I'll sit there and read the news, regularly glancing up. This is not at all how the system is designed to be used though and if I found myself in an accident because of this I wouldn't blame the system for not preventing a crash; I would blame myself.

People act as if Autopilot is supposed to make the vehicle accident-free. It is not. Not even close.

AutoPilot Improvements

Despite this, a couple years ago when Tesla released Autopilot 2 they also announced a change to the Autopilot 1 program. Since there are so many Autopilot equipped Teslas on the road they would now change the way that front radar sensor worked, even on the older cars.

Basically Autopilot would always be "on" even when it was off. When it would see a radar signature, let's see an overhead sign, it would note what it wanted to do and then it would note what the driver actually did. It would then upload that info to Tesla. If on day one of the program there was a giant sign in the middle of a curve that made the cars want to stop, on day 15 enough drivers had driven past that sign trouble-free where it was whitelisted in Tesla's system so that future cars that would pass with Autopilot enabled wouldn't stop here. Effectively they are harnessing the power of their fleet size to crowd source information.

To further improve things (probably because of impending autonomous driving) they just uploaded an entirely new vector based navigation system to all of the cars. So my 3 year old hoopty just got a software update a week ago that gave me an entirely new navigation setup that is so accurate it shows what lane I'm in.

At the end of the day this is just radar cruise control with the ability to hold a lane and people need to respect that and treat it as such.

Where I will admit there's a failure on Tesla's part is in educating the customer at delivery. When I picked up my car there was no run-down of Autopilot's functions and where I should or shouldn't use it. I knew because I'm a nerd but most people aren't and I can see how they might be under the assumption the system is smarter than it is.



It's a branding problem but probably not in the way you think. Yes people think Autopilot in planes is hugely sophisticated and thus they may think their cars are hugely sophisticated but I think people also don't fully understand that Autopilot on a plane is a little more rudimentary than they think. Effectively it is capable of handling a compass bearing, altitude and speed. And you can put in different way points along you route for those things to change. People seem to think you can just take off and then tell the plane to go to San Francisco and that's not reality. The pilots are still very much in control should anything arise that's beyond autopilot's limited capabilities. So in that sense, I think Tesla aptly named the feature but maybe people's misunderstanding of Autopilot in planes came back to bite them in the ass.
Mike, youíre missing my point in that the sensors failed to detect the object. While I donít have as good of an understanding of how the AP system works in the flesh, I do understand that thereís optical (cameras) and radar sensors to scan ahead. Both of those sensors failed to detect an impending collisions and attempt to emergency auto-brake. Thatís kind of scary and shows that the technology still has its flaws. All other autonomous cars have invested in LIDAR sensors, which Musk hates. I know that the new Level 3 A8 uses LIDAR, Laser, and Cameras for example. Maybe Musk bet on the wrong Tech?

Lastly, in regard to your second point about planes I think youíre discounting the auto-pilot technology and how much the flight computers can handle. Planes had been able to land themselves (with pilots looking over) since the 70ís. I think the ďAutolandĒ technology was launched in the Lockhead Tri-Star. Thatís another aviation related topic and resident pilots like Vogz and Nealoc187 can provide a lot more insights.
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I should have shorted the stock and used the profits to buy the model S I really want.
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How many here ditched their Model 3 reservation? I'll bet the numbers are huge.
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I donít think anyone from here ordered a 3 besides mikeK. I could be wrong.
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Non-stop bad news for Tesla. 25% of people have already canceled their Model 3 orders.

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Tesla thanks all the fools that gave them a $1,000 interest free loan for two years.
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