New Tesla Battery = 2.5 0-60 Times...
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10k if you've yet to take delivery. 20k otherwise.
I'm more interested in seeing what the non-performance cars put down for range. The 90D is as fast as the old P85 and gets 294 miles of range but the P90D only got 274 miles of range. So theoretically the 100D should have even more range than that P100D while still being stupid fast. I'm assuming they'll release it with 335ish miles and that will be huge. That would be a full 70 miles of range over the original 85kwh cars.
Combine that with the faster charging times of the newer cars and it's road trip capabilities are significantly better than my lowly 85
I'm more interested in seeing what the non-performance cars put down for range. The 90D is as fast as the old P85 and gets 294 miles of range but the P90D only got 274 miles of range. So theoretically the 100D should have even more range than that P100D while still being stupid fast. I'm assuming they'll release it with 335ish miles and that will be huge. That would be a full 70 miles of range over the original 85kwh cars.
Combine that with the faster charging times of the newer cars and it's road trip capabilities are significantly better than my lowly 85
Mike highlighted one of the other big announcements. Tesla was the first manufacturer to get to the 300 mile range, which seemed like the industries next big goal that all electric car manufacturers were shooting for.
From what I read, Elon also explained they have taken battery technology as far as they could. So there needs to be a revolutionary way to make batteries to keep pushing forward.
From what I read, Elon also explained they have taken battery technology as far as they could. So there needs to be a revolutionary way to make batteries to keep pushing forward.
I think he actually said that they're approaching the limits of what they can do with that specific battery casing and cell size. Everyone on the forums speculated that the P100D would likely be a physically larger battery but what Tesla actually did was re-arrange the way they're laid out in the case so that they can get more of them in there. That, combined with improved chemistry, is what is responsible for the bump in range.
So the solution is either going to be different size cells, which I believe is what they're aiming for with the giga-factory or a larger battery sled.
But I think this is pretty substantial. Battery technology is advancing at about the rate he told us he thought it would.
Truly the breakthrough wouldn't be in capacity any longer. I think for most, 300 real miles is just fine. The next breakthrough needs to be in charging speed. If we can get it so that we can add a real 150 miles of range in 10 minutes that's going to be a game changer. And that's on the slower side of what they're saying will be possible.
The inconvenience of supercharging becomes a much more trivial issue if you limit the amount of time it takes to do so. Plus you can reduce the cost per vehicle by not having to add expensive batteries.
So the solution is either going to be different size cells, which I believe is what they're aiming for with the giga-factory or a larger battery sled.
But I think this is pretty substantial. Battery technology is advancing at about the rate he told us he thought it would.
Truly the breakthrough wouldn't be in capacity any longer. I think for most, 300 real miles is just fine. The next breakthrough needs to be in charging speed. If we can get it so that we can add a real 150 miles of range in 10 minutes that's going to be a game changer. And that's on the slower side of what they're saying will be possible.
The inconvenience of supercharging becomes a much more trivial issue if you limit the amount of time it takes to do so. Plus you can reduce the cost per vehicle by not having to add expensive batteries.
It was also wildly inefficient and required ugly towers that would transmit less electricity the further away from them you were. Oh and then there's the fact that there would be lightning over your head at all times. LIGHTNING.
First atomic bomb didn't work either.
More surprisingly, the same apparatus might have been used to transmit sound waves or communications. Instead, investors (1%ers of the time) went with the safer, and easily profitable, telegraph. We might have had wireless transmission of data in the early 1900s.
You can see where the "Tesla" name fits the car company. Kudos to Musk.
https://www.damninteresting.com/teslas-tower-of-power/
More surprisingly, the same apparatus might have been used to transmit sound waves or communications. Instead, investors (1%ers of the time) went with the safer, and easily profitable, telegraph. We might have had wireless transmission of data in the early 1900s.
You can see where the "Tesla" name fits the car company. Kudos to Musk.
https://www.damninteresting.com/teslas-tower-of-power/
It's already happening. The thing is, much like high speed internet, it's adopted over time so there's not this immediate change in infrastructure.
It will happen. People think capacity is the game changer but honestly I think we're there for capacity. 300 miles is enough. True fast charging is going to be the game changer.
just like we don't charge people today for all dat phone and internet we get through the air?
the idea died because it didn't work. conspiracy theorists just come up with other reasons why it died but still wasn't resurrected 100 years later.
I agree with this. Most people never drive over 300 miles in one continuous stretch. People need to stop every now and then to eat, use the restroom, stretch the legs out, etc.
I can envision a day where every gas station has at least 1 "fast" charger. Unlike superchargers, the gas stations can charge for this convenience albeit much less than gasoline.
you know it's not like in 2016 and with this thing called "the internet" available you can't spend 5 seconds to go figure this out yourself. next you'll be telling me how you've found a great video on youtube of a car that only runs on water but big oil keeps killing people who have these cars before they can get the word out on how they work.
as we have chat many times before, capacity never was the game changer, it's the red herring. charging is the problem. capacity can be too, but if you have enough money you can buy yourself out of that one.
What? You been watching "That 70s Show"? 54 years of experiencing and watching society beats what? 30 years, I assume? Your inexperience shows at times.
So, investors could, theoretically, not back a method that might not be profitable compared to a slower method that would be easy to charge for? Ever hear of Beta and VCR? Beta was the better machine. Did you have one? Oops, you're only around 30 so maybe not.
a child that knows how to think and can research things on the internet can disprove a countless amount of conspiracies adults believe.
my comment is in regards to wealthy people being able to buy themselves out of a capacity problem because a large amount of expensive batteries can be purchased with their wealth. in the context of that, i have entirely no idea what your comment means. if i try to misread my comment another way i still can't make sense of yours.
So let's say battery powered cars take over. I would think the environmental impact of that much battery waste over 50 years would be more than the pollution from using fossil fuels over the last 50, no? Is there any way to measure or estimate this? Our world processes CO2, I doubt it processes toxic battery waste.
Ha! I was right in my age estimation.
Be clearer about what you mean, then. Your statement is open to a lot of interpretations. Using this one, you're saying poor people should just sit at home in the electric battery age? Cruel.
That already exists.
That's actually already happening. Last month it was leaked that Tesla was in talks with an eastern seaboard gas station chain about installing superchargers at their stations. Like gas, they likely wouldn't make money and would rely on the sale of convenience goods. That's basically how the gas station model works now.
In my defense, you go off on diatribes so long I sometimes don't bother reading them because of the length. Ironic that I of all people is saying this but you could tell me that we've chatted about their batteries exploding and taking out litters of kittens and you might very well be right but hell if I would remember.
One thing that's got me worried is the local charger is a mandatory stop for most, especially in the winter, has 6 stalls and is always full during daylight hours. 1-2 spots are also usually occupied by regular ICE vehicles too. Once the 3 comes out its going to be terrible.
We just went on a 3500 mile trip. Cruising range was around 500 miles a tank. We never drained a tank without a stop in the middle of a tank. Those stops were usually 10 minutes or less though, not 30-40 minutes. Stopping every 250 miles or so for 40 minutes would have sucked.
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