Chrysler to kill off Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart
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1 - Chrysler is now building problem free 9 speed transmissions in house
2- 4cyl 200s were made to meet company MPG standards - they don't care is you think it's slow
3 - dart has sold quite well and is continuing to grow every year - keep in mind, that's the toughest market to get into, especially if you've been absent - and your company was so unstable in the past and now fiat owns you...
No - dart and 200 will be made in Mexico most likely - Belvidere is supposed to get the Cherokee (from toledo, which will now build the wrangler and wrangler pickup) and sterling heights will build the ram (from Warren plant, which will eventually get the grand wagoneer)
New rumors have surfaced that the ram won't fit in sterling heights and now might move to Belvidere abs the Cherokee will go to sterling heights instead of Belvidere - but that royally fucks up FCAs timeline... so i don't know 100% but supposedly we already gave Cherokee equipment in Belvidere
The 9 speed trans got a bad rep due to an issue that mainly effected the Cherokee. It seems those issues have been worked out by now.
The 2015 200 looks great IMO. The Dart is a good looking car too. I think the issue with the Dart is that people remember how cheap and crappy the neon was. Up until the new Dart was released, Chrysler/Dodge wasn't known for making attractive small cars.
The 2015 200 looks great IMO. The Dart is a good looking car too. I think the issue with the Dart is that people remember how cheap and crappy the neon was. Up until the new Dart was released, Chrysler/Dodge wasn't known for making attractive small cars.
I agree both are good looking cars, but about the remembering the neon thing, really, I mean outside of sites like TCG, how many people really remember the neon? a few at best, I don't think that factored into anything.
what did factor into the slow start IMO was everyone saw the Dart and said " oh shit...WRX Killer ?" only the powertrain's were not up for that job
Well FWIW:
1.) This seems like a terrible source for info
2.) IMHO (as an owner of a 15' 200) there's a lot to like about this car. There are things I dislike as well but they are far outweighed by positives. I also have zero loyalty to brands as I've owned Lincoln/Ford, BMW, GM, and now Chrysler... so there's my eclectic tastes but that being said:
The 9 speed is more than fine. They did a software update on the trans in the 2nd quarter of 15 and pretty much ironed out anything that people were having problems with. The trans is a solid ZF that's well built, and in 9th gear I can get 37 mpg with a 300hp V6 and AWD... that's unreal.
The fit and finish of the car is quite impressive for a Chrysler. Interior for a sub 30K car is great. The roto knob may not be for everyone. My only caveat that I currently hate about my interior is that the back deck rattles from the 8" free air sub... but it seems that no manufacture (save a few high end models from Audi/BMW/ect) have come to realize that mounting free air subs sucks.
My only other complaint is that I can't seem to find the front seats entirely comfy. But I came from a 3 series with sports seats that were heavenly so maybe I was spoiled. I think they need way more side bolstering though, and a better lumbar support system than what's in there.
Besides that (and the joke of an Alpine stereo being "premium") I love everything else about the car. Handles well, great in the snow, AWD system is one of the newer out there, touchscreen software is way better than anything else I've used, it was sub 30K and has features like adaptive cruise, front/rear park aids, lane holding, BLIS, A/C seats....ect, and has been clocked in the quarter at high 13's stock. For a DD, it works well. All my observations are based on a purely loaded every option 200C however, the less frills aren't quite as cool.
My 2 cents. I highly doubt Chrysler just stops the entire line when they sold the crap out of them in the past year.
1.) This seems like a terrible source for info
2.) IMHO (as an owner of a 15' 200) there's a lot to like about this car. There are things I dislike as well but they are far outweighed by positives. I also have zero loyalty to brands as I've owned Lincoln/Ford, BMW, GM, and now Chrysler... so there's my eclectic tastes but that being said:
The 9 speed is more than fine. They did a software update on the trans in the 2nd quarter of 15 and pretty much ironed out anything that people were having problems with. The trans is a solid ZF that's well built, and in 9th gear I can get 37 mpg with a 300hp V6 and AWD... that's unreal.
The fit and finish of the car is quite impressive for a Chrysler. Interior for a sub 30K car is great. The roto knob may not be for everyone. My only caveat that I currently hate about my interior is that the back deck rattles from the 8" free air sub... but it seems that no manufacture (save a few high end models from Audi/BMW/ect) have come to realize that mounting free air subs sucks.
My only other complaint is that I can't seem to find the front seats entirely comfy. But I came from a 3 series with sports seats that were heavenly so maybe I was spoiled. I think they need way more side bolstering though, and a better lumbar support system than what's in there.
Besides that (and the joke of an Alpine stereo being "premium") I love everything else about the car. Handles well, great in the snow, AWD system is one of the newer out there, touchscreen software is way better than anything else I've used, it was sub 30K and has features like adaptive cruise, front/rear park aids, lane holding, BLIS, A/C seats....ect, and has been clocked in the quarter at high 13's stock. For a DD, it works well. All my observations are based on a purely loaded every option 200C however, the less frills aren't quite as cool.
My 2 cents. I highly doubt Chrysler just stops the entire line when they sold the crap out of them in the past year.
I'm not so unimpressed by the 200 but Chrysler did a bad job with selling it. I had said a while back that I worked in a building with a Chrysler (FCA now??) office and you'd see cars there before you'd see them on the road. It was one of the relatively few cars that piqued my interest as much as it did the first time I saw it. I was really disappointed they'd try an "Imported from Detroit" commercial with a supposedly big-hitter in Suh with the rebadged Sebring. The name change should have waited until the generation change. The Sebring base was awful. The recent family of 200s is nothing like that.
The Dart however... a lot of those owners I've talked to have panned it pretty bad, without me having to even ask.
The Dart however... a lot of those owners I've talked to have panned it pretty bad, without me having to even ask.
Too bad GM cant figure out how to make an AWD car that doesn't cost a fucking arm and a leg.........
For Christ sakes Dodge and Ford have figured it out.
GM really needs AWD Chevy cars in the line up.
Malibu AWD would do good against the Fusion AWD
Impala AWD would do good against the Charger AWD
Just a few off the top of my head.
What is GM's cheapest AWD car anyways? Buick Regal?
For Christ sakes Dodge and Ford have figured it out.
GM really needs AWD Chevy cars in the line up.
Malibu AWD would do good against the Fusion AWD
Impala AWD would do good against the Charger AWD
Just a few off the top of my head.
What is GM's cheapest AWD car anyways? Buick Regal?
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