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Hear the Shelby GT350


The 5.2-liter Voodoo revs to 8,200 rpm and makes 526 hp, but its power delivery and sound aren't like anything you've experienced from a Mustang.

So we strapped it to the dyno, thanks to our friends at K&N engineering.


The GT350 is rated at 526 hp and 429 lb-ft of torque. Because we're using a chassis dyno, the output we measure will be less than that, as it takes into account losses in the drivetrain. Additionally, the ambient temperature at the time of the test was more than 100 degrees with only 20 percent relative humidity. Although these are SAE-corrected numbers, we'd expect higher output at lower temperatures.

GT350 DYNOJET RESULTS:
467 hp (wheel) @ 7,200 rpm

374 lb-ft (wheel) @ 4,900 rpm

The GT350 put down 467 hp and 374 lb-ft to the wheels. Given the ambient temperature especially, that's a very healthy result.

As always, peak numbers are just one set of data points. It's the shape of the curve that matters. Notice that at very low revs, the V-8 struggles to make torque. At 1,500 rpm, it's producing just 238 lb-ft—not a lot for a big-displacement, long-stroke V-8. In real-world driving, that output is accompanied by occasional stumbles; it's clear the engine isn't happy at low revs. Torque builds slowly, however, until 3,250, when something big happens.

Very big. From 3,250 to 3,750 rpm, torque output jumps by a huge 27 percent. And from there to about 6,250 rpm, it's essentially a huge plateau of peak torque with a few bulges likely caused by resonances in the intake system. Even then, torque starts to fall only slowly all the way to the fuel cut. Ford quotes that as happening at 8,250, but our GT350 cut fuel earlier—8,200 rpm was the highest we saw, and even that only occasionally. Our best run made it only to 8,050 rpm before the limiter kicked in.


The GT350's horsepower peak occurs at 7,200 rpm on the dyno, almost 1,000 revs short of the limiter, but output stays at or near that peak number almost that entire way, dropping by less than 10 hp at the 8,050-rpm limiter.

If Ford had limited the Voodoo to 7,200 rpm, it would have put down the same peak number on the dyno, but you'd miss out on that last, glorious 1,000 rpm of pull, where the 5.2-liter V-8 is all but maintaining that peak. See the dangers of just looking at the peak number?

In sum, this is a beautiful example of an engine that loves to rev. The kick in the pants you get around 3,500 rpm is exhilarating, and the fact that this engine pulls so hard all the way past 8,000 rpm makes it an absolute riot to run to redline.
 

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Are these on the street yet? I caught a glimpse of a mustang today that sounded EXACTLY like the GT350's I was driving at the Track Tour. That Voodoo engine has a very unique exhaust note. Its not exotic at all, its pure muscle car noise, but at the same time the flat plane crank gives it a different tone.
 

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Figured I would throw this in here since it is about dyno numbers on the VooDoo engine and some of the top engines available right now. Interesting is see and read.

The link shows the dyno graphs and all.
BimmerBoost - Comparing the 2016 Ford Shelby Cobra GT350 Voodoo V8 to the best naturally aspirated performance engines of the past decade with specs and dynographs






Comparing the 2016 Ford Shelby GT350 Voodoo V8 to the best naturally aspirated performance engines of the past decade with specs and dynographs

Published on 10-15-2015 10:14 PM 44 Comments Comments
Ford is doing something very special with the new Shelby GT350/GT350R Mustang. What is so special about it? That in this day and age where emission regulations are tightening (and even toppling automotive giants) Ford is able to deliver what many companies including BMW say can no longer feasibly be done.



Well, Ford proves you can deliver a high performance and high revving naturally aspirated motor that is emissions compliant and do so in an economically viable manner. The manufacturers that said this could not be done simply wanted to pad the bottom line further.

The Shelby GT350 Mustang starts at just under $50k making what Ford achieved here even more impressive. Keep in mind that every single engine on the list below was put in a car with a higher starting MSRP and in some cases by well over $100k above the GT350 starting price.

As reported yesterday, the GT350 5.2 liter Voodoo V8 makes 467 horsepower to the wheels and 374 lb-ft of torque at the wheels. The BoostAddict network a few months ago compiled a list of the highest revving motors regardless of aspiration in 2015. Now let's compare the best modern naturally aspirated performance engines produced in the past decade in the context of the new Ford GT350 V8 with their specifications plus Dynojet output.

Shelby GT350 Voodoo V8



Displacement: 5.2 liter
Horsepower: 546
Torque: 429 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 467
Wheel Torque: 374 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 94.0 x 93.0
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8250
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1
Crank: Flat-plane

BMW E60 M5 S85 V10



Displacement: 5.0 liter
Horsepower: 507
Torque: 384 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 426
Wheel Torque: 320 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.0 x 75.2
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8250
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1
Crank: Cross-plane

BMW E92 M3 S65 V8



Displacement: 4.0 liter
Horsepower: 414
Torque: 300 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 350
Wheel Torque: 254 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.0 x 75.2
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8400
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS and GT3 RS 4.0 Flat-6



Displacement: 3.8/4.0 liter
Horsepower: 450/500
Torque: 317/339 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 419/457
Wheel Torque: 300/325 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 102.7 x 76.4 / 102.7 x 80.4
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8500
Compression Ratio: 12.2:1 / 12.6:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Porsche 991 GT3 Flat-6



Displacement: 3.8 liter
Horsepower: 475
Torque: 325 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 453
Wheel Torque: 325 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 102.7 x 80.4
Fuel Injection: Direct
Redline RPM: 9000
Compression Ratio: 12.9:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Ferrari F430 V8



Displacement: 4.3 liter
Horsepower: 483
Torque: 343 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 396
Wheel Torque: 290 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.0 x 81.0
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8500
Compression Ratio: 11.3:1
Crank: Flat-plane

Ferrari F430 Scuderia V8



Displacement: 4.3 liter
Horsepower: 503
Torque: 347 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 427
Wheel Torque: 296 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.0 x 81.0
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8500
Compression Ratio: 11.9:1
Crank: Flat-plane

Ferrari 458 Italia V8


Displacement: 4.5 liter
Horsepower: 570
Torque: 398 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 448
Wheel Torque: 317 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 94.0 x 81.0
Fuel Injection: Direct
Redline RPM: 9000
Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
Crank: Flat-plane

Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 LS7 V8



Displacement: 7.0 liter
Horsepower: 505
Torque: 470 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 441
Wheel Torque: 418 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 104.8 x 101.6
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 7000
Compression Ratio: 11.0:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Audi R8 V8



Displacement: 4.2 liter
Horsepower: 430
Torque: 317 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 352
Wheel Torque: 301 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 84.5 x 92.8
Fuel Injection: Direct
Redline RPM: 8250
Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Lamborghini LP560-4 V10


Displacement: 5.2 liter
Horsepower: 552
Torque: 398 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 469
Wheel Torque: 348 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 84.5 x 92.8
Fuel Injection: Direct
Redline RPM: 8500
Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Mercedes-AMG W204 C63 AMG Black Series M156


Displacement: 6.2 liter
Horsepower: 510
Torque: 457 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 436
Wheel Torque: 397 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 102.2 x 94.6
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 7200
Compression Ratio: 11.3:1
Crank: Cross-plane

Mercedes-AMG SLS Black Series M159



Displacement: 6.2 liter
Horsepower: 622
Torque: 468 lb-ft
Wheel Horsepower: 510
Wheel Torque: 398 lb-ft
Bore x Stroke (mm): 102.2 x 94.6
Fuel Injection: Port
Redline RPM: 8000
Compression Ratio: 11.3:1
Crank: Cross-plane


In order of wheel horsepower:

1. Mercedes-AMG SLS Black Series M159 - 510
2. Lamborghini LP560-4 V10 - 469
3. Shelby GT350 Voodoo V8 - 467
4. Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 Flat-6 - 457
5. Porsche 991 GT3 Flat-6 - 453
6. Ferrari 458 Italia V8 - 448
7. Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 LS7 V8 - 441
8. Mercedes-AMG W204 C63 AMG Black Series M156 - 436
9. Ferrari F430 Scuderia V8 - 427
10. BMW E60 M5 S85 V10 - 426
11. Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 3.8 - 419
12. Ferrari F430 V8 - 396
13. Audi R8 V8 - 352
14. BMW E92 M3 S65 V8 - 350

In order of wheel horsepower per liter:

1. Porsche 991 GT3 Flat-6 - 119.2
2. Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 Flat-6 - 114.2
3. Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 3.8 - 110.2
4. Ferrari 458 Italia V8 - 99.5
5. Ferrari F430 Scuderia V8 - 99.3
6. Ferrari F430 V8 - 92.0
7. Lamborghini LP560-4 V10 - 90.1
8. Shelby GT350 Voodoo V8 - 89.8
9. BMW E92 M3 S65 V8 - 87.5
10. BMW E60 M5 S85 V10 - 85.2
11. Audi R8 V8 - 83.8
12. Mercedes-AMG SLS Black Series M159 - 82.2
13. Mercedes-AMG W204 C63 AMG Black Series M156 - 70.3
14. Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 LS7 V8 - 63.0


Now some of you may be saying, hold on, where are the big naturally aspirated V12's from Ferrari and Lamborghini? They make more power! You are right, they do. They also come packaged in $300k plus cars. That highlights a key point here. Ford is offering by far the most naturally aspirated horsepower per dollar. It isn't even close.

Also, we wanted to compare the motor to actually attainable cars and vehicles closer in displacement and cylinder count. Obviously it is not uniform and obviously cars like the SLS Black Series are many times the cost of a GT350 but that just serves to make the GT350 look even better.

The Voodoo V8 is the third most powerful motor on the list. It makes more power and torque at the same compression ration with the same revs as the vaunted BMW S85 V10. It also does it for less money at a time when emission rules are tighter.

BMW has switched to turbo motors because they said they can no longer make high performance naturally aspirated high revving engines that meet emissions standards and still make money. Yet Ford is producing a naturally aspirated motor today that makes more power and torque than BMW's best for less money than BMW. Hey, you figure out if it is because BMW can't do it or the accountants who run the show prefer that they didn't.

What we also learn here is that Porsche by far pushes their engines harder than anyone else. They are the top dogs when it comes to extracting horsepower per liter followed by Ferrari. That said, the 991 GT3 is the champion of hp per liter and Ferrari is almost a full 20 horsepower per liter off from them. That is a large gap and Porsche deserves tremendous respect for what they do. Yes, the list is missing the 458 Speciale which certainly would be great to see and if anyone has a Dynojet run for one that Ferrari didn't pull from the web let us know.

Ford is offering the best balance of revs, horsepower, and torque for the money in this comparison. The Voodoo V8 is truly elite only giving up two wheel horsepower to the Lamborghini V10 which comes in a car over $200k while also offering more torque. Only the SLS Black Series M159 tops it significantly but it is working with another liter of displacement and costs $300k+.

The Voodoo V8 truly is world class. Ford can not get enough credit for what they have built.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Comparing the 2016 Ford Shelby Cobra GT350 Voodoo V8 to the best naturally aspirated performance engines of the past decade with specs and dynographs started by Sticky View original post
 

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Here is a interesting article comparing the GT350 and Z/28.


Pics, video and Dyno graph in the link


http://www.mustangandfords.com/features/dyno-battle-gt350-gt350r-and-camaro-z28/



Dyno Battle: GT350, GT350R, and Camaro Z/28
We Take a 2015 Camaro Z/28, 2016 Shelby GT350, and 2016 Shelby GT350R to the Dyno

Jason Cammisa
October 19, 2015
Contributers: Cory Lutz
There ain't no replacement for displacement, and if you need proof, check out the dyno chart below. We threw a 2016 Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang on the dyno, followed by the hardcore GT350R, just to get a look at the torque curve from the highest-revving V-8 Ford has ever put in a car.

And then for fun, we brought along a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28.


The Ford Voodoo engine is a high-revving work of engineering art. 526 hp from just 5.2 liters of displacement thanks to a power peak at a lofty 7,500 rpm and an 8,250-rpm fuel-cut. A flat-plane crank helps take advantage of intake and exhaust resonances, and quad overhead cams operate 32 big valves with 14 mm of lift—about as much as you'll ever see.

And then, there's the General Motors LS7: 7,008 cc of big American muscle, with just 16 valves, all operated by pushrods. Somehow by the grace of god (and titanium con rods), GM got this 101.6-mm-bore monster to rev to 7,100 rpm. It's rated 505 hp and 481 lb-ft of torque — 21 hp fewer than the Ford, but 52 lb-ft more.

So what happens when you put them on the dyno?

Well, at 1.500 rpm, the GT350R makes 239 lb-ft of torque. The Z/28 makes 341, 102 lb-ft more (numbers taken from a different run in which recording was started earlier).


In fact, from idle to about 3400 rpm, the Z/28 produces between 100 and 120 lb-ft more torque than the Shelby does. Around town, this enormous torque advantage, combined with slightly shorter gears, makes the Z/28 feel immensely more powerful.

However, things look different higher in the rev range. At 3,600 rpm, the Z/28's advantage has dropped to just 46 lb-ft. And while the Z/28's torque continues to rise until just under 5,000 rpm, its advantage over the much smaller GT350's V-8 doesn't.

The high-revving (for a pushrod) LS7 peaks in power at 6,200 rpm, and it runs into its rev limiter at 7,100 rpm — at which point the GT350 still hasn't even hit peak power.

But look at how close those power peaks are:

Car Peak Dyno Power Peak Dyno Torque
Shelby GT350467 hp374 lb-ft
Camaro Z/28469 hp438 lb-ft
Shelby GT350R471 hp376 lb-ft
The curves may look entirely different, but the output is the same: the difference in peak output between the Shelby GT350, the GT350R, and the Camaro Z/28 is not significant.

But, you may point out, the GT350 has a 21-hp advantage in its power rating? Where did it go?

Well, it could be that our long-term Z/28 has an engine that's fully broken in (it has over 16,000 miles on its odometer, compared to just 3,000 miles on the Fords.) Or it could be that the Camaro's drivetrain is more efficient at getting power to its wheels. Also remember that this test was conducted in ambient air temperatures hovering around the 100-degree mark. And all cars were fueled with 91-octane gas, which is the best we can get in California.


With 13:1 compression and all those revs, the Mustang's engine seemed more sensitive to the heat. So these results might have been different on East-Coast 93-octane fuel or in cooler, more humid conditions.

Still, although it's fun to point out that the Z/28 and GT350 put the same exact amount of peak power to their wheels remember that the peak number is just one number. It's the shape of the curve that matters so much.

Despite the Z/28's massive torque advantage, it's no quicker than the GT350R. They're pretty close to even—which is exactly what you'd expect given their similar weight-to-power ratios.

And, since we're big fans of muscle-car rivalries, that's exactly how we'd like to see it.



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And of all the engines on this list, the largest displacement 7.0L LS7 powered Vette has the best fuel economy. :bowrofl:

I've always laughed about this to people who told me that American performance cars were outdated and crude.

If they're so shitty and barbaric, why is it that we can get the same power out of a v8 than your v10 and get double the gas mileage?

Gee, maybe those 7.0 litre's are giving us the torque down low to cruise a car at 1300-1700 rpm, while still making great power at 7k rpm....unlike your "technologically advanced super car".
 

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how much does this thing cost again? 45k 50k? It makes more hp at the wheels than a base model vette makes at the crank!

Here is the disappointing thing about this car.

So, you have the base car, which is about $48k.

This is the performance focused Mustang right? If you want the track goodies like the diff cooler and trans coolers that adds $6500 to the price of the car, bringing it to $55k. But lets say you also want Navigation and a good stereo? Nope, sorry, adding the Tech package drops the Track Package.

But if you up the ante for the GT350R for $63k, you can add back the full SAT/NAV technology package for an additional $3k. Otherwise, you don't get a radio even.

I understand the idea of selling a track focused stripper car. But the option packages seem very strange and most people would probably opt for the SAT/NAV add-ins.

I don't want to NOT have those in any car I own. Heck, on the Starved Rock cruise it was really nice to have the GPS showing current location as well as the up-coming roads.. It helps few times when a Turn was announced because I could look at my current location and and see the road before I could physically see it in front of me. I'd know if it was a T-intersection, or a Y-intersection.

Heck, I'd LOVE to put a 4th gen Dash into the GTA and instead of a normal radio put a Double Din GPS system in there.
 
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