headers

[smug]

Ok so I have some crappy Pacesetters on the car right now and they are ugly, fit like shit, falling apart, leak, ect. These were one of the very first sets of Pacesetters that WBS sold many years ago so they had a good run and it is time to replace them. I want something coated, I dont have to modify to get to fit, and they are not gonna leak. What is the word on the street about headers now? Whats good and whats crap? I am kind of ******d buy these cheap ebay headers... but they are cheap and you get what you pay for.

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[Mook]

if ure considering going turbo..why even bother getting new ones.

but to stay on topic, i dont have any advice. the daytona came w/ togs so i dunno whats even "in" these days. zzp sells headers but those are 700 bones

wasnt mike talking about wbs coming out w/ headers?

 

[OffshoreDrilling]

700 isnt all that bad if they are quality. A set of kooks or american racing headers for my truck are over $1300....

 

[Mook]

i just figured in the years since i last bought headers, prices would have come down. thats what i spent on ORIGINAL togs back when i had the blue car...back in 03

 

[Ron Vogel]

Don't beat me up over it, but I still like the s&S headers...small primaries and all. They are sooooo easy to install and made right. After that I like the TOGS if you can find any.

I wish I could say something about the ZZP headers, but I've never seen a set in-person...everybody goes cheap and buys the crappy pacesetters around here.

 

[smug]

The ZZP one sure are pretty looking and I hope top quality. The cheap pacesetter and slp knock offs are around $200.

 

[rocket69GTP]

Speed daddy headers seem to be the new thing and they are on the cheap but I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for. The zzp and tog headers are expensive but are the best quality by far.

 

[smug]

I honestly dont have a problem spending $700 if that will get me the best set of headers out there

 

[KagA152]

all from personal experience, pacesetters are junk, i cant say im a fan of togs, the crossover is a pita. and how much im not a fan of zzp, theyre headers are very nice. the crossover is my favorite part. good quality stainless. been on the car for over 30k miles and two winters and they look great. i got them as part of the black friday sale a couple years ago, saved quite a few pennies

 

[02BlueGT]

I've got the $150 Ebay pacesetter knock-offs headers... they have been on the car for 2.5+ years, and are still good, there was quite a bit of modification to get them to fit, but for the price, I can burn though 2 -3 sets before getting to the cost of even a set of normal crap pacesetters, which would require modification and welding to get in as well

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

i love pacesetters...the only one's that'll clear a 4t80e (i havent been able to check a set of zzp headers but i doubt they will fit)

i still gotta get another set for the 442

 

[PANDA]

I wouldn't mess around with eBay headers. Id buy a used set of TOG's or ZZP headers. Here is a thread comparing brands.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=5156866&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

 

[Fish]

Don't beat me up over it, but I still like the s&S headers...small primaries and all. They are sooooo easy to install and made right. After that I like the TOGS if you can find any.

I wish I could say something about the ZZP headers, but I've never seen a set in-person...everybody goes cheap and buys the crappy pacesetters around here.

Never seen a set of ZZPs either.

I did help James (cammed GT guy) remove his S&S and they were pretty nice I thought.

 

[TraptPatriot]

I have SSAutochrome/XSPower headers. Got them back in 2008. They are exactly the same as SLP's, not sure why the ClubGP link says they are different.

Anyway, pretty nice headers. Just my flex is leaking a little and I have that bend.

 

[TraptPatriot]

Would like to clarify, when I bought man back in 2008, XSPower and SSAutochrome were grouped or something. Currently, they have different websites. Looks like the SSAutochrome headers are different now.

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

i hated installing edsel's PS knockoff ebay's i had to grind away a good bit of the trans case lol i havent tried the ebay slp slip fit units but if they are close to slp's they wont clear the 80e

let me get those old PS pices of shit fer free

 

[smug]

all from personal experience, pacesetters are junk, i cant say im a fan of togs, the crossover is a pita. and how much im not a fan of zzp, theyre headers are very nice. the crossover is my favorite part. good quality stainless. been on the car for over 30k miles and two winters and they look great. i got them as part of the black friday sale a couple years ago, saved quite a few pennies

You are a fan of ZZP headers? Can you post some pics of them installed on your car? Also how close is the front header to the fans?

 

[smug]

i hated installing edsel's PS knockoff ebay's i had to grind away a good bit of the trans case lol i havent tried the ebay slp slip fit units but if they are close to slp's they wont clear the 80e

let me get those old PS pices of shit fer free

I am sure we can work something out

 

[turtleman]

I'm right at about 2 years with the ssautochrome/XSpower (SLP knock-off) headers. I have really nothing bad to say about them. I didn't need to modify them at all. They have a ticky flex joint but so do the real SLP's. I wrapped the flex joint with header wrap and then coated it with copper RTV before I installed them and it works great. There's no noise and as far as I can tell no upkeep necessary.

ZZP headers are beautiful but why don't they offer them coated?

 

[Ron Vogel]

I'm right at about 2 years with the ssautochrome/XSpower (SLP knock-off) headers. I have really nothing bad to say about them. I didn't need to modify them at all. They have a ticky flex joint but so do the real SLP's. I wrapped the flex joint with header wrap and then coated it with copper RTV before I installed them and it works great. There's no noise and as far as I can tell no upkeep necessary.

ZZP headers are beautiful but why don't they offer them coated?

Basically, because they are stainless. Coating doesn't adhere as well to them (so many coaters won't warranty it), and only coated on the outside keeps the heat in the metal leading to fatigue...since stainless is more brittle already it can lead to cracking from heat cycling.

 

[smug]

Basically, because they are stainless. Coating doesn't adhere as well to them (so many coaters won't warranty it), and only coated on the outside keeps the heat in the metal leading to fatigue...since stainless is more brittle already it can lead to cracking from heat cycling.

I kind of wonder if the header wrap if leading to fatigue on my current set of Pacesetters. I had to weld the #3 primary because it had a hole, not a rust hole, but it looks like the metal just split.

 

[Ron Vogel]

I kind of wonder if the header wrap if leading to fatigue on my current set of Pacesetters. I had to weld the #3 primary because it had a hole, not a rust hole, but it looks like the metal just split.

Pretty much. Header manufactuers don't reccomend header wrap for a reason. Headers are pretty much disposable, stainless extends their life...but heatcycling over several years just takes it's toll no matter what. It's a miricle if mild steel headers last more than 5 years.

 

[AjL227]

I have ZZP headers. They were a breeze to install on my 04, and the fitment is perfect. Only had to bend the transmission dipstick tube. I can post pictures later, if you'd like.

 

[smug]

I have ZZP headers. They were a breeze to install on my 04, and the fitment is perfect. Only had to bend the transmission dipstick tube. I can post pictures later, if you'd like.

Yes please post pics!

 

[smug]

Pretty much. Header manufactuers don't reccomend header wrap for a reason. Headers are pretty much disposable, stainless extends their life...but heatcycling over several years just takes it's toll no matter what. It's a miricle if mild steel headers last more than 5 years.

I think these are 4 years old or so