IC experts, whatcha think

[smug]

okay so you all know that I am jonesing for a IC for my GTX and some one linked me to this IC that some dude is making.
http://www.gtpworld.net/viewforum.php?f=48&sid=6ecbb6cc59cb167e29a83f5bc77e2803

It looks like he makes intercooler and radiators and stuff or all sorts of stuff so I need to know should I still go with a WBS ZZP style or give this a try.
Here is the dudes site
http://ircfabrication.com/

Click to read more...

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

motherfucker, sooooo close to being able to make it singlepass

if he has a singlepass version jump all over that bitch

i hate doublepass but thats all we get

400-500 for the core?, not bad be worth a few bones for it to be single pass

 

[G_T_O]

i was just reading a thread i found about this!
http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.a...e=1&key=&language=&tmode=1&smode=1&s=#5389351
fish and mike were on there talking about it, this was sorta interesting. looks like mike is weary of it not working too good.

 

[Ron Vogel]

It'll seal like shit...it already hard to get the solid cores to seal, but this thing is going to warp like crazy. It looks like when it is sealed it'll do the job though.

 

[Mike K]

It looks pretty but judging by the pictures, performance is going to be lacking. They have no way of testing it so their claims have to be based on information the manufacturer of the core gave them. Let me tell you, the manufacturers of cores promise you the world. Griffen promised us our 3" bar and plate core would outperform anything. It barely outperformed the original ILGPC core...

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

i dont think any were, but were your old ic's singlepass?

meh regardless id wrather have an external pcv system...with a nice big coalescing filter

 

[G_T_O]

im not sure if i could ever trust something like this to be on my car ever! this is an interesting thread! i actually have learned something!

 

[my97gtp]

It looks thin and narrow. Id like to see some numbers on how it performs vs the other major competitors in the market.

 

[smug]

thanks for the input so far

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

it'd be worth it if it was single pass, otherwise wbs/zzp with ext pcv and coalescing filter

 

[M@]

find used IC, install, win

gamble on new part, probably doesn't work, fail

seems a simple decision, let people with money to waste try it before you pony up cash, but a used ZZP setup would seem your best bet...classifieds ftw

 

[02BlueGT]

it'd be worth it if it was single pass, otherwise wbs/zzp with ext pcv and coalescing filter

Look at the lower thread, it is still double pass, tanks on only one end

But a ZZP or WBS IC setup used, they go for ok prices all the time on Club GP

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

yeah i saw that dave, its what pissed me off

why spend all that time on a design which is perfectly suitable for a single pass

the only way to improve our ic's is single pass, as it is currently it's a crapshoot, which cylinders you want to get more of the cooler air from the ic coolant inlet.

tried and true is the best but i think a bar and plate core would at least show a decent air temp drop if it wasnt hindered by dbl pass...

wasnt there someone who turned a heater core unit into a single pass on club gp?

 

[Mook]

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what the fuck

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

hey at least it means less of the riffraft are here

tcgvids.com

 

[02BlueGT]

hey at least it means less of the riffraft are here

tcgvids.com

 

[Fish]

find used IC, install, win

gamble on new part, probably doesn't work, fail

seems a simple decision, let people with money to waste try it before you pony up cash, but a used ZZP setup would seem your best bet...classifieds ftw

This.

 

[Ron Vogel]

What gets me about this...I don't know if this is the same guy or not...but that same design was done back in 2003-2004 by some guy that wanted to make his own core. I don't remember if his core was welded in or not, but everything else looks the same.

Only way to improve upon what's already out there is making a whole new LIM, and incorporating the IC into it. There's a ton of room to drop the floor of the LIM into the lifter valley...probably fit a 4" core under the hood, have a bigger plenium, and shorter runners... even running the head coolant holes to external hoses would cool things down a bunch. THAT would be kickass.

 

[bikrboy128]

make it happen ron

 

[10sec]

Yeah, but people are already maxing out blowers with the smaller i/c's we already have. It would be a waste of time/money. We don't need better i/c's, we need better blowers IMO.

 

[Ron Vogel]

Yeah, but people are already maxing out blowers with the smaller i/c's we already have. It would be a waste of time/money. We don't need better i/c's, we need better blowers IMO.

I actually don't think so...IMHO the manifold is really hurting high HP set-ups, and the blower can go a lot farther if that's corrected.

 

[10sec]

But that SAME manifold on the STOCK heads gets these cars to go 10's all day with a turbo. So clearly the blower needs to be fixed. 10sec wins!

 

[Ron Vogel]

But that SAME manifold on the STOCK heads gets these cars to go 10's all day with a turbo. So clearly the blower needs to be fixed. 10sec wins!

Uhh, no. The increased plenium volume without the blower guts is a huge advantage for a turbo set-up...boosted apps in general benefit from it.

I'm not saying a turbo won't make more power, but don't discount blowers. AFAIK, I haven't really seen anyone really push a build...they are mostly garden variety that show the same results. I'd like to see wild cams, notched pistons, long-stroke, 12.1 or better compression, E85 build. You can move enough air with a 3.0 Pulley to easliy power 450-500hp if the build was dialed in right. Be popping headgaskets left and right without some serious mods though.

 

[10sec]

Hmm... yea... I think getting rid of the blower and adding a much better power adder would be the wiser choice instead of wasting a crap load of money on a motor that's just going to pop anyways. Stock motor, 130# springs, Cam, and turbo will get 10's. Lets see that list of parts it takes for the m90 to get there?... You can even add nitrous for free, won't go against the list.

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

get out of my head ron!
the stock lim blows as bad as the old buick iron