Z7 or XP/IC

[ldyzluvdis06]

This is going to be daily driven.

I doubt I would upgrade beyond the base z7 kit with the T-61 (for a while) I would just use a block off and a/a IC.

First question is, realistically how much whp could be had from a base z7 kit with a dd tune?

Anything internally I should do for the turbo? Will be on a 195k daily driven motor?

What kind of trans would be needed? (IS, 7/8 chain, hard 4th, Borg Warner clutches, shit kit.... Could this trans be suitable?)

or should I keep the XP/IC setup for the Dd? Guessing I would be around 340's to the wheel with the cam setup and I know that trans would be more than fine.

Any help/ suggestions?

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[Fish]

If you can afford the trans, turbo. They drive and sound stock until you hit the happy pedal.

 

[10sec]

Is that the current trans you have? If so it's fine, and if not, that's what i would get.

The z7 will make more power than an xp/ic'd setup any day of the week, get better gas mileage and be more reliable. It will be cheaper in the long run, cooler looking, sound better, easier to build ect. Do you need any more excuses of why choosing an m90 setup over a turbo would be stupid? The motor should be fine, i would take 350-380whp on a nice safe DD tune with a moderate amount of boost 13-15psi.

And the xp i/c'd setup making 340whp is a stretch, that's like 6whp away from top 5 xp cam whp chart. I'd bet more like 310-315 if you're lucky.

turbo it, delete this thread, and be happy kthx.

 

[Yaj Yak]

turbos are good.

 

[bikrboy128]

turbo is excellent. if i were to do it again, id go turbo.
however, im not sure if you should keep a shit kit in your trans

 

[10sec]

i didn't notice that, yea, that's not something i would recommend on the trans build.

 

[Mike K]

Turbo... 400hp is plenty fine for a DD and the power is just insane. We really need to get our asses in gear and get a turbo out for these cars though ZZP does have the market cornered pretty well...

 

[ldyzluvdis06]

you guys talked me into it....haha...

i will be negotiating with the guy on dramagp about picking his kit up.

i do not have the trans yet, but there is guy selling one (stoney). or will be selling one. (it's a gauging interest thread)

 

[1998gpgt]

Turbo Kit for $1000

sorry. was supposed to be a new thread.

 

[10sec]

Turbo... 400hp is plenty fine for a DD and the power is just insane. We really need to get our asses in gear and get a turbo out for these cars though ZZP does have the market cornered pretty well...

F that noise, get RVR to weld you up some pipes with his spare time and charge 2k for a full kit, do it.

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

Turbo. That's what I should have done originally.

 

[PANDA]

Is that the current trans you have? If so it's fine, and if not, that's what i would get.

The z7 will make more power than an xp/ic'd setup any day of the week, get better gas mileage and be more reliable. It will be cheaper in the long run, cooler looking, sound better, easier to build ect. Do you need any more excuses of why choosing an m90 setup over a turbo would be stupid? The motor should be fine, i would take 350-380whp on a nice safe DD tune with a moderate amount of boost 13-15psi.

And the xp i/c'd setup making 340whp is a stretch, that's like 6whp away from top 5 xp cam whp chart. I'd bet more like 310-315 if you're lucky.

turbo it, delete this thread, and be happy kthx.

Didn't TG make like 350WHP with the vertical smile cam?

 

[PANDA]

If both setups are the same price I would turbo.

 

[Fish]

Didn't TG make like 350WHP with the vertical smile cam?

OMGZ THAT IS TEH FUNNY!!!! VERTICAL SMIIIIIILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

Panda has never seen a vertical smile. Virgin.

 

[ldyzluvdis06]

which kit should i go with? (assuming the guy with the IC on responds, he hasn't logged in for over a week.)

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=5239419&p=2&tmode=1&smode=1

or

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=5242446&p=2&tmode=1&smode=1

the second one is quite a bit cheaper, but it is w/o IC, and w/o the turbonetics turbo, not ball bearing turbo....

which turbo is it that he has? can anyone tell?

 

[10sec]

Umm just as an FYI, those are both non-i/c'd kits, the one that comes with an i/c just comes with some ebay garbage intercooler, no piping or any of that. So if i were you i would pick the one on the bottom. You must read between the lines my son. The "i/c'd" one has a ball bearing turbo though...

 

[ldyzluvdis06]

Umm just as an FYI, those are both non-i/c'd kits, the one that comes with an i/c just comes with some ebay garbage intercooler, no piping or any of that. So if i were you i would pick the one on the bottom. You must read between the lines my son. The "i/c'd" one has a ball bearing turbo though...

Yeah the IC isn't the selling point.

The bigger and ball bearing turbo is. But I don't know if it is worth the extra $400-$500.

I could use that money to buy everything else (injectors, block off plate)

 

[10sec]

It's not worth the extra money, don't do it. Get the stuff you need to support the turbo, ball bearing turbo's are as waste for the power levels we want to achieve. Look at phatrides car, nothing special there, stock l32 save for an st5 cam with a ct turbo kit 11.4 on a VERY safe tune and only 17psi. Turbo's are awesome, buy me one kthx.

 

[ldyzluvdis06]

It's not worth the extra money, don't do it. Get the stuff you need to support the turbo, ball bearing turbo's are as waste for the power levels we want to achieve. Look at phatrides car, nothing special there, stock l32 save for an st5 cam with a ct turbo kit 11.4 on a VERY safe tune and only 17psi. Turbo's are awesome, buy me one kthx.

awesome, thanks for the help!!

what else am i going to NEED besides block off,fuel pump, injectors? any valvetrain? headgasket? ect.?

 

[10sec]

Well you'll only be able to go so far before you'll need springs, head gaskets should be fine, i mean if you're looking for 350whp you might be able to do it without adding anything but an i/c'd turbo kit. might need spring since your motor has quite a few miles on it. I wouldn't go past 15psi on those hg's though, might lift a head at that mileage lol

 

[Yaj Yak]

i have a blockoff plate here.

 

[10sec]

Bam, that takes care of one thing

 

[The Broken Regal]

the first kit is from a regal guy who is on and off with his posting but has been legit in the past, just kinda flaky when it comes to being online often

x2 on F the ball bearing turbo as well as the IC.. you'll need more than just that, couplers and piping

for what else you need, what will you/do you have so far

 

[ldyzluvdis06]

the first kit is from a regal guy who is on and off with his posting but has been legit in the past, just kinda flaky when it comes to being online often

x2 on F the ball bearing turbo as well as the IC.. you'll need more than just that, couplers and piping

for what else you need, what will you/do you have so far

the only thing i will have for a turbo setup so far is a TOG dp. should i keep the 105's and through them in? should i go ahead and buy the head gaskets now so when i get the urge to add more boost? i will be trying to be around 400hp on a "safe" tune. this is a DD (for now)

i just bought a XP, 105's, IC, ported blower...but am now selling that so i can go turbo.

KJ how much for the block off?