I need help from you 3800 peepz

[Smokinhot]

My friends mom has an '02(I bleieve) GP GT and it has been alot of power steering fluid and now she is leaking about 1 jug(i was just told) of ani-freeze a week.

1. I checked allllllllllll around the power steering pump and most of the hoses that run around the back of the block but i couldn't find where its leaking from aka its not wet

2. She just had the thermostat housing's gasket replaced but she is leaking anti-freeze pretty badly... and i do mean leaking not burning. Where else or what should i be looking for ansd in what areas? I pretty handy around cars so i'm not worried, just point me in the direction or just give me some ideas/pointers. I need to jack the car up 1 day this week to look further into it


UPDATE**********

Upon looking at it today in the light, ALL(power steering and anit freeze) is leaking behind the block on the driverside. Her mom also told me that there is seepage on the intake under the plastic cover. I'm taking it is the LIM gasket then? And could the power steering be leaking around the power steering box? I'm not sure where is located exactly but i'm sure it about there

UPDATE********** 2/17

here are some pics the cars issue. I'm about to work on it now. Can I jack the car up on the crossbrace underneath the motor? or do i go from the sides?

how long does the install take roughly? and do i just pull the whole lower intake with the upper intake still attached

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[DanJ]

LIM gasket, the UIM's tend to fail on those cars too. You sure it's leaking outside of the motor? I don't know how similar they are but one of my power steering hoses was cracked when i first got my car but the dealer fixed it.

 

[Smokinhot]

yep both piss out. I went to go check it out and where she was parked there was anti-freeze and power steering fluid on the ground

 

[PANDA]

Pressure test the cooling system.

 

[bikrboy128]

check the lower radiator hose, and the water pump.

 

[DanJ]

hmm... I've been told the LIM gaskets CAN leak outward but I've yet to see it. upper or lower radiator hoses maybe. You say she got the Thermostat gasket replaced? They list both an O-ring and a gasket for the 02 L67. I bought both when i changed my thermostat but when i opened it up (presumably the first time the thermo housing had been opened) there was only an O-ring in there so i just changed that. I know most people aren't running a gasket in there and that the O-ring around the thermostat suffices. If there was a gasket between the LIM and thermo housing you'd be able to see it from the side.

 

[DanJ]

Oooh yea, there are two plastic elbows that go between the LIM and alternator bracket. They are prone to failure and can be bought at Autozone for around 4 bucks.

 

[Smokinhot]

thanks i'll check out those areas.......I know i've seen LIM before but i forgot what it means sorry fucking exhausted right now

 

[DanJ]

Lower Intake Manifold It's what the thermostat housing is bolted to.

 

[Smokinhot]

lol, i knew that






thanks

 

[Euro]

hmm... I've been told the LIM gaskets CAN leak outward but I've yet to see it.

Yeah they can, mine did haha

 

[Yaj Yak]

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=4361749&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

thought that might help when redoin it...

 

[02BlueGT]

Yeah they can, mine did haha

I've seen it on a 3.1, but only heard of it on a 3800

 

[Smokinhot]

UPDATED****

look at first post

 

[Yaj Yak]

id do the lim gasket.... my car when it needed em was leaking upwards too... there were pools of antifreeze next to the s/c

 

[sells98GT]

Yea I'd try replacing the LIM gasket first and go from there. You'll probably discover the elbows were broken and any other leaking points when you take the motor down. If you want any help I'd be more than willing to lend a hand, I just finished the LIM gasket replacement and a bunch of other things on my 98 GT.

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

PS leaks are mainly at the high pressure hose from the pump (below the alternator) to the rack, it usually leaks from the hose to hardline crimp joints, most of the time its only wet/seeping. other coomon leak points are from therack ends but this is uaually captured by the end bellows and requires removal of the inboard clamps and sliding the bellows off to see if a puddle is inside (if the car has ever "kissed" the curb this is a distinct possibility)

less likely leak points are from the PS fluid canister to pump body oring or a loose clamp on the return hose to tank nipple or a faulty weld seam on the plastic tank.

if its NA the coolant leak is likely from the LIM, external leaks are awesome..it means that there's just as much of a chance its leaking internally, but hopefully its taking the path of least resistance and going out, the other posibility is the TB gasket and seldom is the LIM end cover (only seen a few).

 

[02BlueGT]

Wow James, your back with a vengeance
(I don't think I've ever seen you post this much)

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

too much fun with the damn semi and i havent been online much so i figured i'd see what was up before i pass out

 

[02BlueGT]

too much fun with the damn semi and i havent been online much so i figured i'd see what was up before i pass out

Were you able to finish the hoses? how about the APU?

 

[Turbocharged400sbc]

i got the major stuff done....i had fun going to all the parts stores and the jiffy screw to dump all the oil from the detroit.

 

[02BlueGT]

I always forget that they limit that.... But i never have that much oil

 

[Smokinhot]

bump, updated first post

 

[Yaj Yak]

u will separate the intakes... the upper comes off quite easily, there was a lot of screws though IIRC... i missed one, got pissed at it, and cracked it the first time i did it.

then

when you get to the LIM, the bolts are primarily easy to see, except for one, which is going to be in the manifold, and most likely covered in oil.

did you get the upper gasket and the lowers?
most anywhere will have both... the upper normally comes with a dealio for the pcv system.


also... did you get new coolant elbows? cuz those are going to break. yep. going to.

 

[Smokinhot]

nope just the lower one. So i'll have to get the upper and coolant elbows.

i just watched that vid that you linked finally