Dyno Tune

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So recently ive been thinking about taking a vacation. But, since i dont really have anyone to go anywhere with (all due to money issues from what it seems like, typical) ive been thinking about taking my car to ZZP and seeing what those guys can do for me. Basiclly what im asking you guys is do you know any other people that would be better for this? Im kinda looking for someone that is going to help me understand as they tune (guessing ZZP wont do this). I picked up a PT not to long ago, but i just really dont understand it (justyourshadow) is working on it currently but i know that neither he nor i can kick as much ass as a trained professional.

Let me know what you guys think. Whats a good dyno tune run these days?

thanks for your help guys.

Kevin
 

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what are your mods? its an expensive trip to zzp for a dyno tune. ive been there twice for a tune. both times i was disappointed with the numbers,,.but the car gained 25whp from my tune--to theirs lol and the car performed well. i was up there a coule weeks ago and they were having problems with the dyno everytime i was there. hopefully they get things worked out. i think you will be money ahead, just use jerrys tuner notebook, and start on your own. use eddies table modifier thingy and the notebook, and you can really help out the car.
 

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Dyno Brian at Intense would be the best choice if your not doing it yourself.
He also tunes a little bit on the street to make sure everything will be safe for daily driving after the dyno tune.
Dyno tunes are big money if you want some real time spent on it. Real tuning is a never ending job tho. Which is why most people dont feel like its worth the money
What mods do you have now?
 

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Ive got the list below, but ive got pretty close to stock GTP's kickin my but sometimes.

Ran a 14.1 best at the track and im pretty sure that alot of it has to do with the tune...i want 13's i can taste them.....

Handling Mods
Modification Rating Cost Install Created Updated
Eibach Lowering Springs 10/10 150 0 Mar 22 2008, 11:23 PM Mar 22 2008, 11:23 PM
GM Strut Bar 10/10 25 0 Mar 14 2008, 11:14 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:14 PM
KYB GR-2 Struts 10/10 150 0 Mar 22 2008, 11:23 PM Mar 22 2008, 11:23 PM
Millie Miglia Evo 5's 10/10 950 0 Mar 22 2008, 11:25 PM Mar 22 2008, 11:25 PM



Performance Mods
Modification Rating Cost Install Created Updated
1.9 Yella Tera Roller Rockers 10/10 300 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:02 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:13 PM
180 T-Stat 10/10 0 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:04 PM Mar 13 2008, 12:04 PM
3.2 ZZP Modular Pulley System 10/10 0 0 Mar 13 2008, 11:46 AM May 1 2008, 11:35 PM
Aluminum Push Rods 10/10 0 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:02 PM Mar 13 2008, 12:02 PM
Custom Built Intake 10/10 20 0 Mar 13 2008, 11:46 AM Mar 14 2008, 11:12 PM
Custom Made Shift Kit 10/10 25 0 Mar 22 2008, 11:28 PM Mar 22 2008, 11:28 PM
Custom Tuned PCM 10/10 100 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:03 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:12 PM
High Flow Cat 10/10 60 10 Mar 13 2008, 12:04 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:12 PM
Motor Mounts 10/10 50 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:05 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:13 PM
Pacesetter Headers 10/10 325 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:04 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:08 PM
Ported Blower 10/10 200 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:03 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:07 PM
Ported Throttle Body 10/10 50 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:03 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:07 PM
Upgraded GM Valve Springs 10/10 50 0 Mar 13 2008, 12:02 PM Mar 14 2008, 11:07 PM
 

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The stock gtp's are beating you because that pulley is too small!!!! You should be running a 3.4 with way more timing. I'll be willing to bet that you don't get any more than 10* at wot right now. If you went to a 3.4 with whatever timing you can get away with then you car would be a totally different beast. All the kr you were running at the track when i was there was killing your mph and et. You car traps maybe 1-2 mph more than a comletely stock gtp because the stock one is getting the timing it needs. Justyourshadow is right, you need to pulley up asap before you blow your car up. I have less mods and i was trapping almost 10mph better than you, and thats because my car is healthy with no kr and 23* of timing. You need to read up on how to use the powertuner and then just street tune it. If you don't have a wide band then get one, definitely the most handy and important tool to getting a good tune hands down. Without one you are relying on your stock lazy o2 sensors which can be lying to. I'll read up on the pt so i can further help you but the reason i know so much about my hptuner is because i read and read and read. 8-9* kr is NOT good, I can't stress enough that you need to get rid of that 3.2 whether you have the supporting mods or not. Your car obviously doesn't like it, so get rid of it.
 

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How can you disagree with that? Say he's commanding 20* right now, and he's getting 8-9* kr, that puts him at 10, which is completely useless. If he's getting kr, he needs to change his pulley. Start with a 3.4 and at least 18* of timing, if he can't get past 18* without kr, then well, time for an inter cooler. Not all cars are the same you know that. So his car is different, he needs to get a wide band yes i agree with that, but i don't understand why people run a 3.2 and get 15* of timing. Why wouldn't you just go with a smaller pulley and 20*? its going to be way faster, everyone complains about torque in their cars being way to much to get a good launch and the top end suffers because the pulley is way to small. There are guys with a good dyno tune and a 3.2/3.0 pulley running 20* of timing but the have INTER COOLERS! Timing is hp, hot useless boost is just that... useless. Even if he gives it a little more fuel i'll bet he'll never get over 16* of timing without kr. Thats pretty much stock timing, whats the point?
 

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I bet a 3.2 with no knock is faster than a 3.4 with no knock, Im not saying thats a good solution to his problem, but he will be able to run that 3.2 knock free at the track. if it actually has knock that bad then he should take it off and run a 3.4, how many degrees of knock dose he actually have? there are alot of reasons for a car to be slow it dosnt have to be knock




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He's got 8-9* that is the reason its slow. He might be running lean i'm not sure i dont' think he has a wide band to get a good picture. He can still tell with his stock o2 but thats no good. I agree 3.2 with 20* of timing and no knock vs a 3.4 20* of timing and no knock will be faster, but my arguement is a 3.2 with 15* vs a 3.4 with 20* neither have any knock, the 3.4 will be just as fast if not faster. My car is faster with the 3.2 and 23* of timing then it was with the 3.0 and 18* of timing. All the 3.0 did was increase my wheel spin and kill my top end. Kevin if you are reading this let us all know what your commanded timing is and your o2 readings.
 

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damn 12.99...calm the hell down dude....they way your wording things freakin annoying...lol

as far as knock goes 4-5* is a typical

however, if im donig about 30 and then hit WOT thats when it peaks to 8* otherwise from a stop i was hitting 5*

timing i dont know on right now, im pretty much running the ZZP 1.0 files so whatever that has is what im at as of current...i know that billy changed something with timing when he was uploading the tune but not sure what he did....

FYI, i know that you keep saying that i should drop to a 3.4 but i disagree.....going to 3.2 is not an option for me right now, i want someone that REALLY knows how to use a PT to look at my car and see what they can do with it and then if it comes to it i will drop at that point.

my tune is what is killing me right now.....i need help
 

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You aren't the only one that runs a pulley thats way to small. I'm not pissed or anything but the people you are talking about that KNOW how to use a tuner, are going to tell you the same thing. The way i wording things the way want i to. I'm typing fast because i don't exactly have all the time in the world to proof read everything before i send it. I obviously good job did a getting point my across to everyone else. I am just trying to help, whether or not you choose to listen is your motor, i mean your fault. 2-5 kr is normal.... RIIIIGHHHT...
 

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You are posting on your cell phone?! You've got me phased lol, thats impressive! Like i said before pulley up, tune the car, if you can't get to 20* of timing at wot with no kr then you can't put on a smaller pulley until you get an inter cooler, more mods, E85, race gas, ect.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phat_ridegt @ Jul 22 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Lol blackberry ftw. But some cars nake morepower with more boost and lower timing, but before you can try it, you have to get that kr under control. You have the mods for a 3.2 but you need the tune.[/b]
thats my point, thank you.

o and LMFAO for vipermike coming in at the right time to offer his $0.02 that i could care less about. youve done nothing but give me crap so i would rather listen to a 4 year old about my car than you....lol

so back to the point at hand of me looking for help with a dyno tune and not what i should be running.....

anyone?
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (got3800.com @ Jul 22 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phat_ridegt @ Jul 22 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol blackberry ftw. But some cars nake morepower with more boost and lower timing, but before you can try it, you have to get that kr under control. You have the mods for a 3.2 but you need the tune.[/b]
thats my point, thank you.

o and LMFAO for vipermike coming in at the right time to offer his $0.02 that i could care less about. youve done nothing but give me crap so i would rather listen to a 4 year old about my car than you....lol

so back to the point at hand of me looking for help with a dyno tune and not what i should be running.....

anyone?
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I will be sure to LOL when you make the "hey guys I blew my motor, what happened?" thread. Fact is your are getting ALOT of KR, you dont know how much timing the ZZP PCM is commanding, you dont know anything about the current fueling, and you refuse to run a bigger pulley? All cars are different man, there is nothing set in stone that says your car can run that pulley KR free.

So what if ZZP "tunes" your car and gives it back to you with say 4' KR, you going to fess up and pulley up?
 

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well i would have loved to help you dyno tune your car since i obviously know what i'm doing, but the whole point of all my rants are nobody can tune your car until you get the right stuff. yes you have the "mods" for a 3.2 pulley we all understand that. The point you aren't getting is you can't just drop a pulley and tune it. You have to get it right with the bigger pulley first and after everything looks ok then you drop. Now do you understand?!? If switching out pulley's isn't an option for you then good luck getting anyone to help you tune it because i'm sure nobody wants to be responsible for your car blowing up. If you would just take the advice of people that know what they are talking about then you would have more co-operation. Why did you ask for help if you aren't going to listen to anyone? Post up your o2's, timing at wot. you want 920-950 for o2's, and we'll see what your timing looks like. I really don't understand your point to all of this though. You want somebody to tune your car on a dyno or do you want a street tune? Are you going to rent a dyno?
 
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