3800 Any1 selling header?

[630_GTO]

im looking for headers and am shopping around b4 i just buy a new set..well if so get back to me, thanks

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[Fish]

I dont know if anyone is selling headers.

However I will give you a bit of advice. You mentioned that your name was GTT cause you wanted a turbo one day. IMO, instead of wasting money on headers that you would have to eventually sell because you cant use them, and using a cam that is meant for a N/A setup instead of a turbo setup, I would just hold onto all of that money and wait. Just some friendly advice.

 

[630_GTO]

thats is true cause thats just more $$$ id have to spend, good point......cancel the headers

 

[Fish]

I know it sucks waiting, but dont be like me and want parts NOW NOW NOW!!! LOL. You wont have enough money for the big payout (turbo) and lose money on the parts that are just a few months old.

 

[syP]

the juice is worth the squeeze

 

[630_GTO]

thats true, it is woth it, not i just need 4gs for the turbo and intercooler

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

just buy pems....

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by 1fastGTP@Jul 14 2006, 12:31 PM
just buy pems....

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thats what i was going to say.

or maybe those new zzp power logs or whatever they're called.

something you can use now and also later.

 

[chipmonk212121]

if you buy PEMs, buy mine lol. I can bring them to the cruise tonight if I come.. I probably will.

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

Originally posted by chipmonk212121@Jul 14 2006, 12:51 PM
if you buy PEMs, buy mine lol.  I can bring them to the cruise tonight if I come.. I probably will.

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well u might want to throw up a price... did u even have them on the car?

 

[chipmonk212121]

Originally posted by 1fastGTP@Jul 14 2006, 01:20 PM
well u might want to throw up a price... did u even have them on the car?

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nope never

i posted in classifieds about it b4 - 160$
http://www.ilgpc.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=1264611

 

[M@]

don't waste time and money on PEMs, save for the turbo.

PEMs are the 3800 community's biggest waste of time and money.
true story.

MT

 

[chipmonk212121]

Originally posted by FastGS88@Jul 14 2006, 05:10 PM

PEMs are the 3800 community's biggest waste of time and money.
true story.

MT

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....thats a bunch of BS

They have a LOT more flow than the stock manifolds = more performance

 

[puggz48]

theres some silver ceramic togs on the clubgp site

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

chip you dont know much about PEMS then. they flow10-15% more. not alot of performance, but some. they will help spool faster so they are not a complete waste. for some spooling faster is not a good thing. the cars are useless if you nail it. you could just turn the BC up to compinsate for lag time if not using PEMS

 

[chipmonk212121]

10-15% is quite a bit..... plus its the start of your exhaust system. more flow at the beginning means a lot.

He doesnt have a boost control because he is N/A.

 

[M@]

I've had personal experience with "PEMs" on my car, and many other cars of friends and acquaintences who I've worked with, given advice to, helped tune, etc. and one thing rings true of all these cases, the cars ran slow, as slow as a car on stock manifolds.

It's a fairly simple matter really, the front manifold itself is the same size as the head port. Enlarging the first 3/4" of each runner does nothing for the main size of the runner, nor does it address the most restrictive part.
In addition, the rear header is also larger than the head port, and the welds create MAYBE 50 thousandths of protrusion in the flow path, and still does not get smaller than the head outlet.
The ONLY real restriction that is helped is the protrusion of the #6 primary, which overall is a very VERY small restriction.

Stock manifolds, especially the front one are turds, and everyone knows:
you cannot polish a turd.

If you port your own manis, go for it! Free mods are great, but I don't understand the people who pay hundreds of dollars for a little grinding and a few welds, that have never proven a dyno gain.
All "gains" from PEMs are sort of like Alky, "I killed X knock, and added X boost, and it feels lots faster.....prove it.

Save money for real mods. I've been there, and really wish I had never fucked with PEMS and just saved my time and money for headers in the first place.

MT

 

[xierxior]

Originally posted by FastGS88@Jul 15 2006, 03:39 AM
I've had personal experience with "PEMs" on my car, and many other cars of friends and acquaintences who I've worked with, given advice to, helped tune, etc. and one thing rings true of all these cases, the cars ran slow, as slow as a car on stock manifolds.

It's a fairly simple matter really, the front manifold itself is the same size as the head port.  Enlarging the first 3/4" of each runner does nothing for the main size of the runner, nor does it address the most restrictive part.
In addition, the rear header is also larger than the head port, and the welds create MAYBE 50 thousandths of protrusion in the flow path, and still does not get smaller than the head outlet.
The ONLY real restriction that is helped is the protrusion of the #6 primary, which overall is a very VERY small restriction.

Stock manifolds, especially the front one are turds, and everyone knows:
you cannot polish a turd.

If you port your own manis, go for it!  Free mods are great, but I don't understand the people who pay hundreds of dollars for a little grinding and a few welds, that have never proven a dyno gain.
All "gains" from PEMs are sort of like Alky, "I killed X knock, and added X boost, and it feels lots faster.....prove it.

Save money for real mods.  I've been there, and really wish I had never fucked with PEMS and just saved my time and money for headers in the first place.

MT

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they dropped 2* of knock on my car and I loost about a pound of boost if that tells you just how restrictive the manifolds can be in stock form.

the pipes that protrude into my rear manifold hung down about half an inch tho which I'm sure created the majority of the restriction.

I might just get that powerlog monstrosity from zzp for the front manifold and be done with it.